I was asleep when this happened, Caldera owns unix?

Post #36,800 by boxley 4/29/02 3:09:54 PM Reply	I was asleep when this happened, Caldera owns unix? www.sco.com SCO owned the src for nix 5.4 thanks, bill TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
Post #36,810 by a6l6e6x 4/29/02 3:59:27 PM Reply	Yep, 2 years ago, come July. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com/news/B000722.html\|Caldera announcement.] Alex "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Post #36,823 by orion 4/29/02 5:25:21 PM 4/29/02 5:27:05 PM Reply	Yes sir, you are correct They bought it from SCO who bought it from Novell, who bought it from AT&T Bell Labs (Aka Lucent). As long as it stays out of Microsoft's hands. :) I think it was SCO who bought UnixWare and the rights to Unix from Novell, correct? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.* Edited by orion April 29, 2002, 05:26:41 PM EDT Edited by orion April 29, 2002, 05:27:05 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #36,845 by Meerkat 4/29/02 8:17:42 PM Reply	Scary speculation - what if M$ bought Scaldera? Quite apart from the fact that they wouldn't... But then again, I read they once offered Nintendo $25billion, so anything's possible :) But just how awful could it get? I'm unsure of who licences what, but just how many Unices do actually owe something to 'Unix'. Would this mean Sun, HP, Apple would all have machines based on M$ technology? I just lurve these 'world gone mad' scenarios :) On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #36,847 by kmself 4/29/02 8:27:57 PM Reply	Linux isn't Unix Unix is a primitive precursor of Linux. That said ;-), this would be a net win for Linux, whose tradmark isn't owned by Microsoft, and whose current owner is exceedingly unlikely to part with it. That also said, commercial unices could rally under other flags (their own brand name, POSIX, Linux), or raise a putatively valid claim that any attempt to redefine "Unix" to exclude them would risk genericizing the trademark. Rembember, MSFT does badly in court, it wins in the market and by attrition. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`
Post #36,977 by orion 4/30/02 5:51:09 PM Reply	If MS bought Caldera They would own Unix, as well as make their own flavor of Linux (unless they discontinue it?) but would not own Linux in itself. Linux isn't based on SystemV Unix, is it? Linux has its own kernel and support software, but it was made from scratch by Linus and company, right? Made to Unix standards? Imagine if Microsoft own Caldera OpenLinux and ported MS-Office, IE, and others to OpenLinux only? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #36,985 by pwhysall 4/30/02 6:44:45 PM Reply	Norm. Linux is not UNIX Linux is not UNIX Linux is not UNIX Linux is a UNIX-like operating system that's POSIX-compliant to some degree. Whatever Caldera or MS do to UNIX, it doesn't matter, because... Linux is not UNIX. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #36,998 by orion 4/30/02 7:34:20 PM Reply	I didn't say that Unix was Linux I just said that if Microsoft bought Caldera they would own Unix, and then own the OpenLinux that Calendar makes, or at least sell the thing. Caldera does make a version of Linux, do they not? Or have I been imaginging that Calenda has OpenLinux all these years? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #37,025 by kmself 5/1/02 12:59:22 AM Reply	There are significantly less expensive ways... ...to start your own GNU/Linux distro. In MSFT's case, they could turn ~~Interix~~ Unix Services for NT into a Linux w/o the Linux, running on Windows, for starters. Or cobble together their own set of tarballs, DEBs, RPMs, or foo, and start shipping / burrning / uploading it. They're already more than half way there, and considered this But you'd have to ask: to what end? "Buying" Caldera would provide Microsoft with precisely this much leverage over "GNU/Linux": 0. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`
Post #37,077 by orion 5/1/02 2:26:38 PM Reply	Ah but MS buying Caldera would also get Correl Draw, Correl Paint, Wordperfect Suite, DR-DOS, etc off the market or turned into Microsoft's products. But MS could do what they did for OS/2 and port Unix and X into the OS to run Unix/X programs natively. But then wasn't there a POSIX mode in the old NT, or did MS drop it with the OS/2 1.X Text only mode? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #37,088 by kmself 5/1/02 3:11:01 PM Reply	What MSFT should do with Correl Office Suite ...is buy it and double its marketshare from 1% to 2% of the Office market to be able to claim credible competition. Similar to the $150m "infusion" it made in Apple some years back (which was actually a patent settlement and not a beneficent gesture). Unix and X are already largely native on MS Windows. Cygwin ports allow execution of many GNU and POSIX utilities. Unix Services for MS Windows NT is the same vibe from the belly of the beast. "Unmanaged" X11 servers allow X11 and MS Windows apps to cohabit the same workspace -- no seperate X windows desktop required (though frankly I prefer full-screen managed X sessions if possible). `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`
Post #37,106 by orion 5/1/02 5:14:38 PM Reply	Didn't Microsoft give Correl some funding a while ago? Or was I imagining things? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #36,890 by boxley 4/30/02 10:18:03 AM Reply	There is a lot to license nix ufs is licensed, lots of low level stuff, Linux is not and will not be unix, smells, looks, and feels different. thanx, bill TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
Post #36,824 by kmself 4/29/02 5:31:56 PM Reply	Rip Van Boxley Snoozing [link\|http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-502672.html?legacy=zdnn\|for a couple of years there], Bill. This was part of the summer, 2000, aquisition of most of SCO's properties by Caldera, now known as "Scaldera". `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`

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