Felix: Why The Daily was doomed.

Post #367,201 by Another Scott 12/4/12 7:57:21 AM Reply	Felix: Why The Daily was doomed. As some of the comments point out, he confuses intrinsic limitations of the platform with current implementations, but he still makes good points about the present implementations of many tablets and mobile apps. http://blogs.reuters...ative-journalism/ Cheers, Scott. (Who is hoping for the day of tablets with 64GB of persistent RAM and a cheap-enough and fast-enough network connection, and finds his iPad v1 too limiting...)
Post #367,215 by boxley 12/4/12 8:42:25 AM Reply	good point in the comments ÂEvery issue of a new publication has to be downloaded in full before it can be opened; this takes a surprisingly long time, even over a pretty fast wifi connection.Â ThatÂs due to the choice of the Daily. If there arenÂt that many photos or videos, it can be downloaded pretty quickly. YouÂre writing off the whole medium because the guy who bought MySpace didnÂt understand what would be the best way to deliver the news on a tablet. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #367,229 by drook 12/4/12 12:33:07 PM Reply	Everyone's missing the point Okay, maybe it's in there, but I don't feel like reading the rest of the comments. :-) Every major newspaper has their pick of designers and editors who have been to school to learn everything we know about how to make a newspaper look good: whitespace, balance, composition, paragraph structure, etc. And we've been refining those rules for a century. How long have we been designing for the tablet? How many people have gone to school to learn what little bit we do know? This is a new medium. We haven't developed any knowledge about it yet. The people doing the work now are inventing the rules on the fly, and they're rarely going to get it right on the first try. -- Drew
Post #367,233 by boxley 12/4/12 12:48:20 PM Reply	doing it wrong take your second paragraph. Hand those results to a ui desinger. Take that product and hand it to a dev team that understands bandwidth client/server and presentation. A decent product "might" emerge Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #367,235 by drook 12/4/12 12:58:43 PM Reply	Static vs. dynamic What makes a good static layout is not the same thing that makes for a good dynamic layout. First, there's unknown screen proportions. But leave that aside and there's actual moving content. A screenshot from a TV broadcast doesn't look anything like a newspaper. Which one should a tablet emulate? When should it emulate one or the other? And why? We're just starting to work on this stuff. -- Drew
Post #367,240 by crazy 12/4/12 1:22:43 PM Reply	Newpaper tablet application Should look like newspapers from Harry Potter.
Post #367,246 by drook 12/4/12 1:41:06 PM Reply	Sure, why not? Cell phones were modeled off of Star Trek communicators. -- Drew
Post #367,247 by folkert 12/4/12 1:46:58 PM Reply	Ding ding ding! Agreed. Keep the white space and add into it the movable stuff. Though, who am I to talk? I cram upwards of 80 to a 100 terminal sessions and a browser, mail client, IM client, Voice/Video Client, notifications, Weather, shortcuts... plus a background image into my desktop, err three desktops... plus 3 monitors. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #367,244 by boxley 12/4/12 1:34:06 PM Reply	outa my depth but shouldnt the browser have the screen porportions via the useragent? Once the browser/tablet is identified a target template filters content for that tablet. Back in the ustawuzzes is what we did for phones Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #367,270 by scoenye 12/4/12 10:44:08 PM Reply	Won't work very well. Keeping that list up to date is a nightmare. iOS alone has ~100 different UA strings. For Android, the OEM browser UA may include the device name, but user installed browsers likely do not. E.g. Firefox makes a distinction between phones and tablets but that is all you get. CSS can differentiate between screen sizes but that would not help much with content delivery.
Post #367,272 by boxley 12/5/12 8:32:11 AM Reply	thanks, didnt know Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #367,248 by folkert 12/4/12 1:49:07 PM Reply	Also: Quit treating my Smartphone like a MOBILE PHONE FROM 5+ years ago! If I want to go to the FULL SITE... don't redirect me back to the "M" site. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #367,656 by Another Scott 12/10/12 10:59:10 PM Reply	His followup. http://blogs.reuters...ative-journalism/ He didn't back down much, but fairly presents the pushback he got. Some interesting links. Cheers, Scott.

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