Re: Easy for you to say

Post #361,726 by Bman 8/14/12 2:05:56 PM Reply	Re: Easy for you to say Verizon comes with VZ nav that cost But most new Android phone come with a free nav by google it works well "Pictures are better then words because some words are big and hard to understand" Peter Griffin (Family Guy)
Post #361,729 by dmcarls 8/14/12 4:33:11 PM Reply	Not really 'free' >>> most new Android phone come with a free nav by google I guess you can never have enough information... http://www.pcworld.c...u_the_creeps.html [...] "Regarding location information specifically, GoogleÂs privacy policy states: ÂWhen you use a location-enabled Google service, we may collect and process information about your actual location, like GPS signals sent by a mobile device. We may also use various technologies to determine location, such as sensor data from your device that may, for example, provide information on nearby Wi-Fi access points and cell towers.Â
Post #361,736 by scoenye 8/14/12 9:35:54 PM Reply	Until they get mo money from someone else My Palm Pre came with Google Maps. I toyed with it in the beginning and it worked well, even at speed. A while back I tried to use it but it refused to start saying an update was needed. I finally gave in and let it pull the update only to find out Sprint replaced it with Bing Maps. Useless garbage :-( So, regardless of the OS, I would say that as long as the device is tied to the carrier, they can do whatever they want.
Post #361,748 by crazy 8/15/12 5:44:29 PM Reply	Don't think so Carriers license a chunk of Android apps from Google. As oppsed to random non-phone Android devices. Those apps are used as part of the branding/sales process. They turn off my Google Maps on my Atrix and there will be hell to pay. On the other hand, you fell for/bought the palm (nice device, and if it has an app you need, then you need it), but for the rest of us, that device is a BAD idea. Note: I had a palm phone with a touch screen and a chunky keyboard, LOVED it. But then the company replaced it with a blackberry. Not as nice, but integrated with the email server better. That was the end of Palm for me, about 8 years ago.
Post #361,751 by scoenye 8/15/12 8:03:29 PM Reply	't belongs to my employer + Sprint falsely accused At the time, the choice was between PalmOS and WinMo 6.5. IOW, not really a choice ;-) But in general, I side with the Luddites when it comes to phones these days. If the choice was really up to me, it'd be a dumb phone. And the guilty party for the switch was HP, not Sprint. I guess you're right. I don't see Google pushing Bing any time soon...
Post #361,753 by drook 8/15/12 11:22:04 PM Reply	I'm happy with the dumb phone My employer recently decided they're not. In fact they're unhappy enough to pay for the new one. That's why I'm shopping. -- Drew
Post #361,754 by pwhysall 8/16/12 1:54:42 AM Reply	Count yourself lucky I get a Blackberry Curve 8520 at work. It's completely horrific in all aspects. Can't even get a (relatively) non-shit one off eBay and chuck the SIM in it, because I'd have to get the Group IT department to activate (or provision or whatever) it, and they're about as flexible as neutronium when it comes to BYOD. Dear RIM Please stop fucking about and go bust so that my company can throw away its BES servers and instead issue iPhones or Androids or Windows Phone or anything other than your ghastly shit phones. Love, Peter.
Post #361,756 by drook 8/16/12 3:34:44 AM Reply	I had a Curve 3300 Worked fine for what I needed. But then I'm the guy who's happy with his dumb phone. -- Drew
Post #361,757 by mmoffitt 8/16/12 9:26:02 AM Reply	RIM is still the only semi-secure solution.
Post #361,760 by pwhysall 8/16/12 9:41:28 AM Reply	Not so. iPhone does full-device encryption too, with remote lock/wipe. Dunno about Android, but I bet it does or will Real Soon Now. True, you can set a BB to wipe itself if it doesn't contact the mothership after a certain time, but the proportion of the market that would actually genuinely miss that feature is, I posit, tiny.
Post #361,763 by mmoffitt 8/16/12 10:29:15 AM Reply	And you can only "remotely wipe" an iPhone if... it connects to you. If a handheld has been compromised, I don't want it connecting to me. But that's not the only trouble with iPhones. See here for example: http://www.sit.fraun...st-passwords.html What "proportion of the market would actually genuinely miss" the additional security is irrelevant. This is the age of Facebook. An age when the great mass of marching morons cannot be trusted to make security decisions - even when it comes to securing their own information.
Post #361,770 by pwhysall 8/16/12 1:25:47 PM Reply	Shrug You said RIM phones are the only semi-secure option. They're not. They're arguably the most secure, but there're other secure enough options. Are you seriously contending that people need timed remote wipe on non-connection to a remote server? That's a nice tinfoil hat you've got, there.
Post #361,771 by mmoffitt 8/16/12 2:11:56 PM Reply	They clearly don't need it for personal use. But for some businesses (my current employer included) it is a must. Of course, you Brits have no trouble with being snooped upon incessantly so I'm not surprised you think anyone concerned with privacy is worthy of a tinfoil hat.
Post #361,773 by pwhysall 8/16/12 2:30:42 PM Reply	Heh, and you're not snooped on at all, right? You keep right on believing that. And constructing strawmen, while you're at it. I know there are some businesses that want remote timed wipe; it's just that there are almost certainly too few of them to sustain RIM. Feel free to continue arguing with things I didn't say, though.
Post #361,774 by mmoffitt 8/16/12 3:07:31 PM Reply	Of course we're snooped on. I've read the USA PATRIOT Act. It's just that we don't like it. Most of you Brits think its not a problem. The Queen's entitled and all that. That's among the reasons we broke away from you, remember? ;0)
Post #361,775 by pwhysall 8/16/12 4:05:23 PM Reply	Says who? You're just making things up now.
Post #361,776 by folkert 8/16/12 4:31:53 PM Reply	Yes, but he has a REALLY REALLY... Nice big stack of straw back there. And He is making the biggest burning man strawman you've ever seen!
Post #361,787 by static 8/16/12 11:53:20 PM Reply	Android does, too. I haven't installed it but I know someone who did. It's slightly scary to setup, actually because the ability to remotely reset the device is fairly prominently displayed. And then partway through the install it looks like it's done a factory reset - only it hasn't really, it's just waiting for you login. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #361,796 by mmoffitt 8/17/12 8:25:29 AM 8/17/12 8:26:24 AM Reply	Yep. That's why I said RIM is still the only semi-secure solution. My yanking Peter's chain aside, he is right. Almost nobody cares. The bank my company uses for the health savings accounts recently rolled out iPhones to their people. They manage them through Airwatch which requires an agent on the device - a lot like MobileIron. The bank doesn't even disable Siri or iCloud and they allow their users to add 3rd party email accounts to their devices. But their IT Security guy said, "That's not a problem, though, because we don't show them how to add 3rd party email accounts." I damned near fell off my chair. edit: tpyo Edited by mmoffitt Aug. 17, 2012, 08:26:24 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #361,809 by drook 8/17/12 1:34:23 PM Reply	Wouldn't you think banks would hire people who know that? You'd be wrong. Because that comes lower on the "shit we care about" scale than not going bankrupt, and they haven't been real good at that lately. -- Drew

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