No 'perhaps' about it - here's a third "source":

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Post #35,775 by CRConrad 4/17/02 2:03:48 PM Reply	No 'perhaps' about it - here's a third "source": That's how the singular second-person personal pronoun looks in other Germanic[] languages, too. Heck, even in French, come to think of it -- the Romance languages' roots are somewhat similar to the 'I - me, thou - thee' system, too (right, anyone who took Latin?). []: The further back you go in history you go, the more Germanic and less of a mongrel English used to be. Christian R. Conrad Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #35,833 by static 4/17/02 10:49:40 PM Reply	I meant "perhaps he already told us". Among the many things I collect are books about the history of the English language. So I know that English is technically a Germanic language, though the pedigree is rather grubby at the moment. Several interesting bites (I'm summarising): OE lost a lot of its conjugations a little time after the Angles and Saxons settled in because there were two "versions" of English largely with different conjugations, so they wore away. Also: A lot of change of Middle English can be blamed on the Normans (French). Prior to that, English resembled German, Dutch and Danish. It was also because of the Normans that English lost a lot of descriptive phrases that we've never regained. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #35,862 by CRConrad 4/18/02 9:35:52 AM Reply	Nice collecto-mania... :-) "Descriptive phrases"?
Post #35,967 by Ashton 4/18/02 11:34:57 PM Reply	Personally.. I miss pre-Norman 'schweinehund' (sp?)
Post #35,973 by static 4/19/02 12:03:38 AM Reply	Descriptive Phrases. The poem Beowulf is rich in descriptive metaphor and simile. Modern day English always strikes me as tawdry by comparison. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #35,975 by CRConrad 4/19/02 12:28:32 AM Reply	A, I C... "Kennings", as they're called in Old Norse.

It is SPEECH dammit, not SPEACH -NT - (altmann) - (40) - April 15, 2002, 04:05:22 PM EDT

would you like frys with yer whine :) -NT - (boxley) - April 15, 2002, 04:11:39 PM EDT

You're fighting a "loosing" battle!!! -NT - (ChrisR) - (2) - April 15, 2002, 04:26:13 PM EDT

kneadnt start a pun war -NT - (boxley) - April 15, 2002, 04:28:28 PM EDT

Get it "rite". "Your" fighting a "loosing" battle! -NT - (jbrabeck) - April 24, 2002, 01:25:48 PM EDT

Holy fucking shit, man, you think *that* is bad??? - (CRConrad) - (25) - April 15, 2002, 04:41:44 PM EDT

semi litterate, half trained cat :) -NT - (boxley) - (3) - April 15, 2002, 04:44:39 PM EDT

'Xackly my point! - (CRConrad) - (2) - April 15, 2002, 05:01:50 PM EDT

Nit. - (static) - April 15, 2002, 11:14:00 PM EDT

"litt\ufffdrature" IIRC (!) ____ Oops: should be under CRC's -NT - (Ashton) - April 24, 2002, 04:21:31 PM EDT

Re: Holy fucking shit, man, you think *that* is bad??? - (pwhysall) - (8) - April 15, 2002, 04:58:18 PM EDT

Yeah, but the Rat-Man already covered that, above. - (CRConrad) - (7) - April 15, 2002, 05:04:17 PM EDT

I fink pronunciation gets on my goat more - (Meerkat) - (6) - April 15, 2002, 11:06:44 PM EDT

Its a sports thing, of course... - (jb4) - (1) - April 24, 2002, 01:52:08 PM EDT

Knit be-eng piccoloed hear.... - (folkert) - April 26, 2002, 08:57:24 PM EDT

Bushed! - (Arkadiy) - (3) - May 31, 2002, 02:51:31 PM EDT

Eisenhower did it too, though. No indicator re - (Ashton) - (1) - May 31, 2002, 10:47:55 PM EDT

It's NUK-UH-LEHR -NT - (mmoffitt) - May 31, 2002, 10:57:37 PM EDT

Umm? Didn't Carter have the same mispronounciation? - (Silverlock) - June 1, 2002, 02:29:32 AM EDT

Dessert instead of desert... - (ben_tilly) - (11) - April 16, 2002, 07:15:08 AM EDT

Here's an obsure one. - (static) - (8) - April 16, 2002, 07:35:32 AM EDT

About "you" versus "thee" - (ben_tilly) - (7) - April 16, 2002, 07:55:19 AM EDT

Perhaps. - (static) - (6) - April 16, 2002, 09:52:13 PM EDT

No 'perhaps' about it - here's a third "source": - (CRConrad) - (5) - April 17, 2002, 02:03:48 PM EDT

I meant "perhaps he already told us". - (static) - (4) - April 17, 2002, 10:49:40 PM EDT

Nice collecto-mania... :-) "Descriptive phrases"? -NT - (CRConrad) - (3) - April 18, 2002, 09:35:52 AM EDT

Personally.. I miss pre-Norman 'schweinehund' (sp?) -NT - (Ashton) - April 18, 2002, 11:34:57 PM EDT

Descriptive Phrases. - (static) - (1) - April 19, 2002, 12:03:38 AM EDT

A, I C... "Kennings", as they're called in Old Norse. -NT - (CRConrad) - April 19, 2002, 12:28:32 AM EDT

& vice versa, of course - who wants a sand cake for pudding? - (CRConrad) - April 16, 2002, 03:52:38 PM EDT

Why do you think I said "It is..." ? :) -NT - (altmann) - April 16, 2002, 05:07:22 PM EDT

It's "Ridiculous", not "Rediculous", dammit! -NT - (wharris2) - (1) - April 16, 2002, 10:43:05 AM EDT

Ah, yes! "DefinAtely" one of those that eluded me yesterday. -NT - (CRConrad) - April 16, 2002, 03:44:07 PM EDT

A few more: - (CRConrad) - (6) - April 16, 2002, 05:11:44 PM EDT

You keep missing my favorite: - (jb4) - (5) - April 24, 2002, 01:57:57 PM EDT

OK, how about this one, then: "That's do to..." -NT - (CRConrad) - (2) - April 24, 2002, 02:00:14 PM EDT

Sorry, Don't know that one... - (jb4) - (1) - April 25, 2002, 06:41:24 PM EDT

Merkin, more than Real English. Must be pronounciation... - (CRConrad) - April 26, 2002, 02:23:50 AM EDT

It's up there with 'ironical' - (Meerkat) - (1) - April 25, 2002, 10:23:23 PM EDT

Yup - the ":" indicates it's aberrant here, too. 'Call-in' -NT - (Ashton) - April 25, 2002, 11:53:32 PM EDT

Someone's clearly been reading... - (kmself) - April 29, 2002, 05:58:12 AM EDT

Now that's what I call self-defecating humor.
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