iPad 3

Post #355,334 by pwhysall 3/15/12 10:02:08 PM Reply	iPad 3 Well, I've finally succumbed to the tablet thing. I've decided I want something bigger than my phone but smaller than a laptop for sofasurfing, and the reading of books when I'm working away. A Kindle isn't it, because I hate the e-ink screen. I considered the alternatives of Android, Playbook and Touchpad. For about five seconds, before having a roffle and ordering a 16GB 4G iPad. In white.
Post #355,335 by Another Scott 3/15/12 10:34:20 PM Reply	Welcome aboard! We've got a 1st gen with 3G. It's very handy on trips. In the browser, can you compose a post here on it, don't hit "Save", then go to another tab, copy and past a URL or something, then return to the IWT tab and still have stuff in the Content window? In common situations like that, the 1st gen iPad would clear the edit window (presumably due to lack of RAM - the new iPad has 1 GB vs 512 MB on the older ones). I haven't checked it recently, so there may be some details I've forgotten... Anyway, enjoy! Osmos must be gorgeous on it... Cheers, Scott.
Post #355,936 by pwhysall 3/29/12 2:11:53 AM Reply	It doesn't chuck things away like that (any more?) I've done a fair bit of posting on various forums and haven't lost a post yet.
Post #355,943 by Another Scott 3/29/12 7:36:03 AM Reply	Excellent news. Thanks. (I'll try again on the IP-1 soon.)
Post #356,093 by Another Scott 4/3/12 10:17:18 PM Reply	Lets see... I just updated to the latest iOS. 7 tabs in Safari... So far so good. Cheers, Scott.
Post #356,094 by Another Scott 4/3/12 10:20:56 PM Reply	Re: Lets see... Here's some text. Let's paste something... http://www.balloon-j.../#comment-3158336 It seems OK now. Maybe the iOS update did it. Woot! Cheers, Scott.
Post #356,992 by mvitale 5/1/12 9:53:50 PM Reply	Re: It doesn't chuck things away like that (any more?) http://www.jwz.org/b...-do-you-speak-it/ Some of the comments are interesting... -Mike @MikeVitale42 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #356,999 by Another Scott 5/1/12 10:42:10 PM Reply	A good read. Thanks.
Post #355,337 by Bman 3/16/12 2:29:26 AM Reply	AHH your coming back to the lightside "Pictures are better then words because some words are big and hard to understand" Peter Griffin (Family Guy)
Post #355,340 by static 3/16/12 9:30:48 AM Reply	Tablet-tastic. Android tablets are a lot more similar to Apple's offering than many people realize. Which is primarily why Apple are upset about Android. There is a certain "It Just Works" functionality that both provide, though. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #355,356 by malraux 3/16/12 12:05:50 PM 3/16/12 12:15:17 PM Reply	And they're a lot more different as well. Say you're an app developer. On iOS, you design for a couple resolutions and maybe one iOS rev back, you test on a 3 or 3S for performance, you put it in the app store, you wait a few weeks for approval, and then people pay for your app. Apple takes a large cut (30%) for the privilege. On Android, you design for the least common denominator Android rev (2.2), you add gobs of code to make sure the application scales properly depending on the resolution, you discover that a large majority of the devices out there have even worse performance than the iPhone 3, you put it in the app store, you get immediate approval, and then people start downloading your app, sharing it around, and installing it for free without even jailbreaking their phones. Meanwhile, you're constantly fixing bugs on the various editions of the platform, to the extent where it's very unlikely that you can actually make money because Google also takes a large cut (30%) for the privilege. As a user, you can buy and download a new app on the Apple store and be reasonably sure it's fit for purpose and works as described, but only Apple decides what you can buy (not a big deal in practice). However, with the Android store there's a non-trivial chance of getting malware or paying for some crap app that doesn't even boot (see the class action suits, etc). YMMV, and opinions are strong on both sides. For consideration, though: http://www.gamasutra...ill_Favor_iOS.php Another significant factor is revenue: Flurry's figures show that multiplatform developers are making an average of only $0.24 from Android releases for every $1 spent on their iOS counterparts. The firm looked at in-app purchase data for apps with several million daily active users before coming to that conclusion, and cited issues like OS fragmentation, low Google Wallet penetration, and lack of Android Market curation to explain the gap. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson. Edited by malraux March 16, 2012, 12:15:17 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #355,394 by static 3/16/12 8:39:34 PM Reply	This is true. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #355,411 by pwhysall 3/17/12 3:47:24 AM Reply	Apple aren't upset about Android. If Apple are worried about anything, it's Windows 8. Android is on a lot of devices, sure, but Apple are interested in making vast gobs of money, and Android sure as shit ain't a good way to do that, even for Google. I wouldn't touch an Android tablet with a bargepole. Not just for the app considerations outlined by Scott, but also because you've got no guarantee that you've got anything resembling a support path. Apple? Dirt simple. You buy a new phone or tablet and you (a) know that shit is going to work (b) know that you're getting the very latest OS and (c) know that you're getting the next couple of OS revisions. That triumvirate certainty simply doesn't exist in the Android sphere.
Post #355,414 by static 3/17/12 5:16:05 AM Reply	Then why is Apple trying to sue Android out of existence? Not that they're having much success actually achieving that... However, Jobs was absolutely convinced that Android was an illegal copy of Apple's iOS. It is well documented that he wanted to wipe Android out. Android support is being done by the makers of the hardware, with varying levels of success, as well as the retailers. If my tablet goes belly-up, I go back to the store I bought it, just like if my TV plays up. This arrangement seems to be annoying some people for some reason. But it is working and for Android devices it is getting better. It doesn't work the same way as Apple's rather closed ecosystem, though there are arguments that some parts should be more strictly controlled. I tend to agree with some of them. I think Google should be certifying hardware platforms and licensees and enforcing upgrade paths, for instance. It would also help app publishers make decent money (most simply can't), which I predict Google will be under some pressure to rectify in the coming months. My allegiance against Apple basically comes down to the fact Apple has openly declared they want to rule your computing devices. I don't like Microsoft doing that, why should I like Apple doing it? But before that crystalised, I didn't like some of their technology choices, and that's why I never went iPod. If WebOS had taken off, then I would have been interested in that. I liked my Symbian phone, but when it died the only obvious step up (that wasn't Apple) was Android. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #355,446 by pwhysall 3/17/12 8:44:13 PM Reply	Re: Then why is Apple trying to sue Android out of existence They're not, specifically. It's just that everyone's suing everyone else. C'est la vie in the world of technology software big business. Apple don't want to "rule" your devices. What a ridiculous concept. They simply build their stuff to work in a particular way; if you don't like it, you buy something else, just as with any product. In numeric terms, most people do that. Although the teeming masses end up spending a whole lot less money than the minority who buy Apple products. Google has no interest in making hardware vendors do anything much; especially if it would make an HTC or Samsung phone more attractive than a Motoroogle handset. I'm far too old and bored with technology to have ideological "allegiances" to any particular vendor, mainly because they're all a pack of cunts including (some might say especially, due to their protestations to the contrary) Google. I just buy and use what works. iPad works. OS X works. WP7 works.* I typed this out in Chrome on Windows 8 on an iMac, by the way. * I could never get Android to the state of "works" because there'd always be something utterly retarded that would shit all over my day, be it the differentiation between device and SDcard memory, or the cavalcade of permissions wankery when apps got updated, or the spacktardular "menu" button (for that authentic BlackBerry feel, I guess). Not to mention the conniptions required to sync my phone with my iTunes library (which WP7 does perfectly elegantly; I ended up buying Isyncr and its wifi plugin to make it work even remotely reliably, which is to say not at all, but at least I got tunes on the device, even if the various music players are all uniformly tediously shite).
Post #355,449 by static 3/17/12 9:52:58 PM Reply	We agree on one thing, then. For the most part, my Android devices Just Work for me, too. That was a huge attraction for the tablet I chose and to a lesser extent the two Android phones I've had. Incidentally, I use Ubuntu Linux for much the same reason: it Just Works well enough. Microsoft has long annoyed me about how they want you to use their software; Apple has the same reputation and this really is the major reason I haven't gone iThing (plus I hate iTunes' UX). Unlike you, it appears, I still have some technological preferences. But the world would be boring if we were all the same. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #355,497 by crazy 3/19/12 6:58:34 AM Reply	I started trying to prove you wrong But I couldn't. sue Android out of existence is a quote that others use, but not Jobs directly. Of course, when you consider that the final goal of suing someone or something out of existence is to destroy them/it, and then you simply look at the following google query, the picture painted is pretty dramatic. http://www.google.co...roy+android+quote So yes, Peter, you sure are right. That is certainly never a stated goal. Boy, you sure are smart, since now you can give your money to them without even bothering to rationalise it.
Post #355,530 by pwhysall 3/19/12 3:26:38 PM Reply	Re: I started trying to prove you wrong What do I need to rationalise, again? Apple make shiny thing. I want shiny thing. I buy shiny thing. Me happy! I couldn't give a tuppenny fuck about the legal shenanigans of what multibilliondollar corporations are trying to do to each other.
Post #355,535 by mmoffitt 3/19/12 4:03:26 PM Reply	Deep.
Post #355,547 by Bman 3/19/12 8:04:40 PM Reply	Re: Deep. NO just an fanboi "Pictures are better then words because some words are big and hard to understand" Peter Griffin (Family Guy)
Post #355,551 by crazy 3/19/12 9:08:50 PM Reply	No, he's not He likes his shiny things. They make nice shiny things. They do. Really. A by product of people buying their shiny things is the possibility of bad things happenings to android. So? It is. That's business. I'm not saying it should be otherwise. I'm merely pointing out what is.
Post #355,562 by pwhysall 3/20/12 7:28:18 AM Reply	Re: No, he's not You obviously do think I need to rationalise something over and above the fact that Apple make a product that meets my needs. You wouldn't have brought it up and snarked about how "smart" I am, otherwise.
Post #355,564 by crazy 3/20/12 7:40:41 AM 3/20/12 7:44:51 AM Reply	Close Really, I simply went to try to prove the "out of existence" statement, and found I couldn't. But at that point I was on the path of snark, and had to come up with something. And there is much about Apple that annoys me, so my default position is "against". But on additional read, I clarified my worldview / business perspective to include the reasonability of your view. This is not a religious argument, it's a long term vs short term business one, and many worldviews can be accurate at the same time. Edited by crazy March 20, 2012, 07:44:51 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #355,565 by Another Scott 3/20/12 8:02:43 AM Reply	Also, too. Apple has to protect its trademarks and patents when it thinks they're being violated. Otherwise, they're worthless. Yes, there is "I'm protecting my patents" and there is "I AM OZYMANDIAS! LOOK UPON MY MIGHTY PATENTS AND DO MY BIDDING OR YOU WILL BE DESTROYED!" It's often hard to tell which is which from reports in the press. :-/ E.g. Samsung isn't a tiny upstart. Cheers, Scott.
Post #355,569 by mmoffitt 3/20/12 10:50:36 AM Reply	I know. Just yanking his chain. He didn't bite. Dang it. :0)
Post #355,646 by pwhysall 3/21/12 4:58:40 PM Reply	You're going to have to do way better than that...
Post #355,651 by crazy 3/21/12 6:57:28 PM Reply	Yeah You gotta be as good as me
Post #355,657 by boxley 3/21/12 8:51:28 PM Reply	thats not his chain yer yanking :-) Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #355,664 by drook 3/22/12 12:12:28 AM Reply	You are ... the weakest link! -- Drew
Post #355,665 by static 3/22/12 5:30:47 AM Reply	lol... It's been a while since I've seen that line! :-D Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #355,415 by static 3/17/12 7:04:55 AM Reply	I should apologise. I realized later I may have come across as a bit of an Android fanboi. Or perhaps an Apple hater... :-/ That was not my intention. Apple has been a pioneer in many ways in the computer industry to the general benefit of all. It's only natural for others to follow in their footsteps. But some people don't like some of their business and technology choices. I am one of them. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #355,418 by folkert 3/17/12 10:28:53 AM Reply	You are not the only one... I don't like it. But, unfortunately, I have a wife and daughter, admittedly my Mini 9 yet. Though, I personally really don't USE any Apple devices, my family chooses to.
Post #355,352 by malraux 3/16/12 11:55:19 AM Reply	Oh no you didn't It's "the new iPad", not an iPad 3. Silly consumer. I don't know what Apple is thinking... people have to have something unique to call it, no matter what Apple thinks. Most likely iPad 3 is going to be the name that sticks, to differentiate it from the 1 and 2 models. Otherwise no one is going to know what's being sold on eBay. And what do you call the next one? The new new iPad? Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #355,357 by drook 3/16/12 12:07:47 PM Reply	NuNu ... or Nanoo Nanoo -- Drew
Post #355,359 by SpiceWare 3/16/12 12:16:08 PM Reply	It's just "iPad" same as it's just "iMac", "Mac Book Pro", etc. I expect latter this year the phone will become just "iPhone" as well. People will differentiate like they do now. My MacBook Pro is known as "15 inch, Late 2008". (normally it's just the year, but in 2008 they updated the MBP twice). http://www.google.co...ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Post #355,360 by malraux 3/16/12 12:22:57 PM Reply	True... But I think a computer is somewhat different than a device. As a developer, which would you rather say, and as a user which would you rather figure out: 1) Supported on iPad 2 or newer. 2) Supported on iPad 2012, 2048x1024 retina display, dual-core A5X processor or better. I'm in the middle of dealing with a broken BluRay drive in our PS3, and trying to figure out which one to buy is a pain in the rear because there are something like 7 "PS3" models and 3 "PS3 Slim" models (two separate 120G models alone). Step one, find the model number in tiny type on the bottom in gray on black type. Step two, find somewhere online to translate that into an actual part number and requirements. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #355,363 by boxley 3/16/12 12:33:24 PM Reply	or use the one you got as a parts box and buy another used one just like it Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #355,367 by malraux 3/16/12 1:30:28 PM Reply	I may end up doing that They're actually pretty easy to disassemble, although the connector cable for the bluray is fiddly and brittle. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #355,372 by SpiceWare 3/16/12 2:26:31 PM Reply	supported on iPad 2012 or better Apple has simplified product lines, the iPad especially so. The only difference between iPad models for a given year* are capacity and data network. In contrast, the computers are available with customization choices that affect performance (GPU, CPU, HDD or SDD storage) and thus listing more detailed "supported on" requirements with CPU and GPU specs is still relevant for the Mac. * Yes they're still selling last year's model at a discount, but it'd still be known as the prior year.
Post #355,373 by malraux 3/16/12 2:34:30 PM Reply	But now that's a name again Microsoft used to do that with operating systems... ;-) I don't think years are as useful in this fashion: I have a difficult time remembering when I bought my devices. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #355,381 by SpiceWare 3/16/12 4:16:48 PM Reply	People are already used to that ask them about their car and you'll hear something like "2005 Honda S2000" :-) If Apple was updating the iPad multiple times per year then yeah, the year wouldn't be very useful. As far as Microsoft, maybe they realized that using year for something that's not updated every year has a downfall - by 98 something called 95 sounds quite dated, especially in the computer industry. Of course they're still using that to some extent: Office 2010, Visual Studio 2010.
Post #355,395 by static 3/16/12 8:43:52 PM Reply	That exemplifies Sony. Sony have always struggled to limit the model range. Someone very high up firmly believes that "more models is good". It's not. Really, it's not. Apple have proven that the most clearly, but other manufacturers have too down through the years. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #355,412 by pwhysall 3/17/12 3:51:05 AM Reply	Re: Oh no you didn't It says "iPad with Wi-Fi + 4G 16GB - White (3rd generation)" on my order.
Post #355,502 by jake123 3/19/12 10:40:50 AM Reply	Re: iPad 3 Well, I'm sure I'm going to get one within a week or two to test some of our new software on here at work. All that said, so far I'm going to maintain that given the price, performance, stability, and features of the playbook, it's still far and away the best deal going out there... by a wide margin. Wide.
Post #355,913 by pwhysall 3/28/12 2:32:34 PM Reply	It's here First off, the screen is amazing. I have never seen anything like it. At the usual distance at which one looks at it (I.e. 40-60cm), you really cannot distinguish individual pixels. The build quality is what I've come to expect from Apple. It was very quick to set up, no doubt helped by the fact that it came with a three-quarters charged battery. I bought a dock and a smart cover with it. The smart cover is very nifty and fits perfectly on its magnetic bindings. The dock will give me somewhere sensible to put it when I'm not using it. It's a shame, though, that the smart cover has to come off for the iPad to dock. The slot in the dock is a close fit. Performance is pretty darned good, too. I don't know much about the gaming side of things - I only really play things like Field Runners, which isn't particularly graphically demanding. In apps, everything is silky smooth, from scrolling to zooming to swapping between apps. The OSK is good, if not quite as good as the one in Windows Phone 7. It's very easy to type on, but MS have nailed the autocorrect in a way that eludes Apple. I have the usual clutch of apps like the Kindle reader and so on. I've not seen any real lemons yet although the lack of an official apple weather app was a bit of a disappointment. Overall, I'm really pleased with it. It'll certainly make working away a bit more palatable. I guess the tablet bar just went up a notch or two.
Post #355,924 by folkert 3/28/12 7:39:43 PM Reply	Meh... its just a tablet. I'll still use my full on laptop and Android phone.
Post #355,930 by pwhysall 3/28/12 11:25:45 PM 3/28/12 11:26:12 PM Reply	Woo for you, I suppose. With just a splash of yay. Edited by pwhysall March 28, 2012, 11:26:12 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #355,932 by folkert 3/29/12 1:32:16 AM Reply	Yeah... Well, I'm not a fan of limited use "things" My Android Phone does everything I need it to do, as far as Administrative things... for my SSH needs and my Google Apps admin stuffs. For those thing that need to be done more critically with more precision and speed than the Android will allow, I use my Laptop with a broadband dongle. Or just sit down and use it at home. They are really all I need. I have an iMac, two Macbook Pros, a Hackintosh... an iPod 2nd Gen, iPod minis (1st and 3rd gen) and iPod Shuffle (2nd gen). And I really use none of them. Just the Wife and at College kid does. I really have no personal use for Apple's stuff. Its not a "hating Apple" thing... its a "not really seeing the need for it" thing. Granted, they make a mean set of hardware... and rightly so, its nice. But, again, I've really, not got a use for the OS for the Full Devices or the Limited Mobile Devices.
Post #355,935 by pwhysall 3/29/12 1:59:43 AM Reply	Groovy, I guess. I just want to read my ebooks and browse the web, perhaps play a few games, in a hotel room and at dinner (because I'm on my own 99% of the time I'm travelling) on a compact device with a decent-sized, high-quality screen and excellent battery life, but which does not have the bulk of a laptop or the small display of a phone. Your use case is different to mine. That's cool. Lots of people like Android. I think it looks and feels like something I made, which is not (in my opinion, not necessarily yours) a good thing. I'm not really getting why you're telling me all this, though.
Post #355,937 by folkert 3/29/12 2:20:15 AM Reply	Because you went... Woo for you, I suppose. Like you have no friggin' idea what the hen I mean. The iWhat-evers Apple makes, are IMO pretty shiny things that do limited stuffs and I'm all about my own shiite working. It does work for me, you keep acting like its MY problem. I keep telling you its NOT my problem. "Meh... its a tablet" is your problem... ok? I don't give one rats ass about Apple Shiny... except what its going to cost me for my Family... its a COST without benefit to me... and I still have to support it and yes there is always Familial support. I don't like OSX particularly well, nor do even appreciate iOS at all. I'd rather support Linux... but we all know where that goes with Family.
Post #355,938 by pwhysall 3/29/12 2:54:53 AM Reply	How very strange. I'm talking about my iPad, not yours. And no, I'm not acting like it's your problem, because my iPad isn't your problem. In fact, none of this thread is about your problems. Hell, it's not about anyone's problems. The thing I don't get is what you expect me to do with the information in your post. You see, I started this thread as a vehicle for me to chat about my new iPad. Not for advocacy, just for "woo, I've got new shiny!", and the "you can do this cool thing with it" and "don't forget that it's ass if you don't do this or if you do that" - you know, the usual things people like to talk about when they've got new shiny. So you don't like Apple products. I don't think anyone here is unaware of that fact. So I'm really not sure what you expect the response to be. It seems that you wanted to tell me that you don't like Apple products (which is fine; I'm not forcing you to buy Apple products, and you're not forcing me to buy Android products). It's the motivation for you wanting to tell me that which confuses me. You're not going to change my mind, you're not providing me with any new information, you're not asking me a question, and there's not much I can say in response other than variations on a theme of "uh, ok". Throw me a bone here, Greg.
Post #355,939 by folkert 3/29/12 3:46:43 AM Reply	Just ignore me. because even if you say you are not doing advocacy, you are doing advocacy here. I'm telling you my dislike of all things Apple Shiny, since I don't see a need or use for them, personally, even if my Android falls to shiite. Limited use items period... annoy the crap out of me. My Android is not a limited use item for me, it does all nearly all the thing I do on my laptop, except things impossible to do on a small form factor display, keyboard and mousey like thinger. I could fix that, since I can get a nearly full size keyboard and display 1080p and attache a real mouse. Sure I can see how you don't see you "Oh lookey, new shiny" isn't advocacy... but can you see how it actually is? Plus, the most important reason, my Johnson is bigger than yours.
Post #355,940 by pwhysall 3/29/12 4:13:48 AM Reply	I don't like pineapple And I don't see the point of Belgian beer. I'm not crazy about the colour yellow, either.
Post #355,944 by folkert 3/29/12 9:49:31 AM Reply	Good enough... Now at least you get it.
Post #355,950 by pwhysall 3/29/12 10:36:57 AM Reply	Re: Good enough... No, I really don't. I just thought I'd list some irrelevant things I don't like, much like you did.
Post #355,952 by folkert 3/29/12 10:44:40 AM Reply	Exactly.
Post #355,956 by pwhysall 3/29/12 11:02:11 AM Reply	Exactly what? But by all means, do tell me more about these devices of yours which are of no interest or relevance to me or this thread. And then do proceed to tell me about how me talking about my iPad makes a hitherto undefined and unidentified something into your 'problem', just in case I wasn't confused enough. And then, when you get called on this stream-of-consciousness stuff, accuse me of indulging in advocacy, just by the very act of talking about something. Or, alternatively, just ignore me and the threads I start.
Post #355,957 by crazy 3/29/12 12:03:02 PM Reply	Apple's shiny! Apple suxors! No it doesn't! Film at 11
Post #355,927 by static 3/28/12 9:36:36 PM Reply	Autocorrect issues. I've not had enough of an opportunity to play with Apple's auto-correct, but I've seen enough around the intarwebs and from friends to guess that it's fairly aggressive and isn't as easy to override as other platforms. Your comment kinda confirms that. Actually, until I thought of this, I really wondered how people could get tripped up by it, as I've experienced several generations of Sony Ericsson's as well the Android one. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #355,933 by folkert 3/29/12 1:33:52 AM Reply	Re: Autocorrect issues. My Android, rarely gets me into trouble. It even is doing a great job anticipating my next words... based on my IM patterns. I really appreciate that.

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