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New slow vs faster dev time?
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New Does it really matter?
Doing it faster in dev time...

Perl has CPAN, its ginormous. If you typically want something its there. Even if you don't like what is there, you can look at it and fix it up or make a new module.

Feck man, Perl is so complete, I have yet to look for something that was there at least in a usable state.

Perl is also very fast. So fast it makes my head spin on fast new hardware. Heck on 6 year old hardware its fast. Even on 500MHz P3 hardware its fast.

Dev time is far out-trumped by production speed anytime. Perl is scalable and very well known by many people. Yes there are more Java and C# junkies out there... but a good Perl chef can whip something together just as fast and work it.
New Nope
I would never suggest Perl for anything other than batch processing (with hesitation) or shell scripting.

We've got a few hundred thousand lines of it here. Never never never. Well, maybe if you have 4 Bens or Barrys on staff, but in the hands of mere mortals and people who think they are gods it's a swamp.

I'm sure Barry will have something to say about this, but Perl is too dangerous in the hands of people who like complexity.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New Agreed
90% of teaching a perl programmer is forcing him to read the Tao of Programming and quizzing him on it, and then read the 1st several chapters of the AUP, and quizzing him on it, and really pounding in that other people were going to maintain this code. Some day. Every piece of code has a life, and it may outlive you.

Do NOT force the next guy to decode your brain state.

I would not allow him to code for about 3 days because he didn't do his homework. Allow is a bit strong, but when I refused to review his code, it sunk in.

So anyway, most never got this stuff beat into them, they whipped out some code, it seemed to work, and a new career was born.

He's decided to dive into Lisp for a bit and is working in the Eclipse environment. It annoys him when he is doing an exercise that he could just whip out in Perl. I told him to withhold judgment until he got all the fundamentals of the language.

Anyone here know Lisp? I sure don't.
New I with I did know lithp.
It thure theemth interethting.
New I've done LISP
I wouldn't say I know it, however. It's one of those languages that takes a long time to master.

I personally don't find it all that compelling versus the cognitive load required.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New Depends on the industry
Dev time is far out-trumped by production speed anytime.

In the financial industry, sure. And airline booking ... anything with insanely high transaction volumes. But for the rest of us, where the majority of execution time is handling user interface, dev time is far more valuable.
--

Drew
New Not in the financial world
Here it's about transaction speed, safety (very conservative), and then time to market.

Dev time with Python is just as fast as Ruby (better in my opinion).

Where are you hearing this from? I'm very curious.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
     Lisp or Smalltalk or something else? - (crazy) - (28)
         Dunno. But on the perl stuff... - (Another Scott) - (1)
             Oh, he schemed - (crazy)
         #2 == Squeak - (folkert)
         Re: Lisp or Smalltalk or something else? - (malraux)
         squeek is interesting but dunno how marketable - (boxley) - (23)
             Ruby and financial companies - (malraux) - (22)
                 they use the mq for messaging -NT - (boxley) - (21)
                     You mean Perl MQ? - (folkert) - (1)
                         no - (boxley)
                     Yeah, but Ruby? - (malraux) - (18)
                         slow vs faster dev time? -NT - (boxley) - (7)
                             Does it really matter? - (folkert) - (5)
                                 Nope - (malraux) - (3)
                                     Agreed - (crazy) - (2)
                                         I with I did know lithp. - (pwhysall)
                                         I've done LISP - (malraux)
                                 Depends on the industry - (drook)
                             Not in the financial world - (malraux)
                         I seem to recall - (S1mon_Jester) - (9)
                             Re: I seem to recall - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                 Yes but... - (folkert) - (3)
                                     Re: Yes but... - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                         We aren't experiencing... - (folkert)
                                     You are confusing two things: - (malraux)
                             And they're working on it - (malraux) - (3)
                                 Now that is... - (folkert) - (2)
                                     Re: Now that is... - (malraux) - (1)
                                         Damn straight - (crazy)

What... is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?
105 ms