That's a good point.

Post #348,029 by static 9/23/11 1:43:41 AM Reply	That's a good point. You don't want the daily stand-up meeting to be run by the Project Manager. That's the Team Leader's job. If the PM is trying to run it, then there's a development manager who isn't doing their job. Wade. Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/
Post #348,047 by S1mon_Jester 9/23/11 10:00:57 AM Reply	Well Scrum was SUPPOSED to be self-organized teams. The scrum leader should be a pig, not a chicken. That said, PMP started realizing that Scrum could put them out of a job. So Scrum certification has been going on crazy and a lot of companies have PMP trying to backfit waterfall into Scrum. (Which is why I said it was poor for project management and selling to a customer. :-) )
Post #348,090 by static 9/24/11 4:47:22 AM Reply	Quite. But Project Management can happen quite successfully without roping in all the developers. One of their more useful skills is liasing between two development managers. We also found a way to "de-Waterfall" a Product Manager: it is basically stealing incomplete designs for the developers to play with :-) though this works better if he can be convinced to hand them over voluntarily. But the Project Manager has to be able to sooth ruffled feathers when the Product Manager keeps getting given suggestions to improve the design before he's "ready to release it". Wade. Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/
Post #348,111 by malraux 9/24/11 10:06:22 AM Reply	Product Managers ... shouldn't be doing designs. They should be preparing business requirements. UI designers and IAs should be doing designs. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #348,140 by static 9/24/11 5:32:57 PM Reply	Imprecise definition. By 'design' I meant Product Design, which means marshalling business rules into UX. And they have to approve the layout anyway. Wade. Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/

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