myth: Not OOP == no

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Post #3,446 by tablizer 8/1/01 1:17:44 PM Reply	myth: Not OOP == no_methodology >> Or rather "The PHBs have no idea what they want, and the programming requirements change daily." That is what kind of work I do. Also since the other programmers and the supervisors do not know OOP or how to use classes and collections, we are banned from using them. Sort of like working for Bryce? << You seem to be assuming that I have NO methodology. That is not true. I documented the basics of my methodology on my "business modeling" webpage. Task-based-grouping is simply more stable than the noun-based grouping of typical OOP code for biz apps. Changes in which-noun-affects-what don't require all the shuffling (aka refactoring) that OOP does. You simply change the reference to the different noun instead of physically mOOving code. GOF then becomes a formula, NOT a code structure. IMO, XP is a reaction to this OOP problem. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #3,489 by Fearless Freep 8/1/01 4:28:38 PM Reply	tis to laugh IMO, XP is a reaction to this OOP problem. XP was pretty much created by a bunch of Smalltalk zealots Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #3,540 by tablizer 8/1/01 8:48:15 PM Reply	So. Stalltalk is OO, no? re: "XP was pretty much created by a bunch of Smalltalk zealots" ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #3,544 by wharris2 8/1/01 8:58:34 PM Reply	Smalltalk is OO out the wazoo French Zombies are zapping me with lasers!
Post #3,581 by tablizer 8/2/01 1:53:16 AM Reply	I'll help you put it back in (no txt) re: "Smalltalk is OO out the wazoo" ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #3,667 by boxley 8/2/01 8:56:01 PM Reply	oops is tops :) Our bureaucracy and our laws have turned the world into a clean, safe work camp. We are raising a nation of slaves. Chuck Palahniuk
Post #3,690 by tablizer 8/3/01 1:42:29 AM Reply	Yr jst tryin t piss me off so that I hv a fit and get banned ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #3,714 by boxley 8/3/01 10:23:01 AM Reply	nope after doing xbase for a lot of years some of your arguments make a lot of sense. I thought my comment would annoy the oopsies more than you. thanx, bill Our bureaucracy and our laws have turned the world into a clean, safe work camp. We are raising a nation of slaves. Chuck Palahniuk
Post #3,716 by Yendor 8/3/01 10:43:04 AM Reply	For those of you who frequent II... vlrnmd -YendorMike In order to understand recursion, one must understand recursion.

Reactive programming - RiP - (ChrisR) - (16) - July 30, 2001, 12:44:07 AM EDT

Seat of your pants programming - (orion) - (14) - July 30, 2001, 10:43:55 AM EDT

Extreme? - (Arkadiy) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 02:08:18 PM EDT

We sort of have that - (orion) - July 30, 2001, 02:28:38 PM EDT

From a distance... - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - July 30, 2001, 04:39:29 PM EDT

More like a bowel movement - (orion) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 05:44:16 PM EDT

Ah, a brown movement! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - July 30, 2001, 11:05:15 PM EDT

myth: Not OOP == no_methodology - (tablizer) - (8) - Aug. 1, 2001, 01:17:44 PM EDT

tis to laugh - (Fearless Freep) - (7) - Aug. 1, 2001, 04:28:38 PM EDT

So. Stalltalk is OO, no? - (tablizer) - (2) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:48:15 PM EDT

Smalltalk is OO out the wazoo -NT - (wharris2) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 08:58:34 PM EDT

I'll help you put it back in (no txt) - (tablizer) - Aug. 2, 2001, 01:53:16 AM EDT

oops is tops :) -NT - (boxley) - (3) - Aug. 2, 2001, 08:56:01 PM EDT

Yr jst tryin t piss me off so that I hv a fit and get banned -NT - (tablizer) - (2) - Aug. 3, 2001, 01:42:29 AM EDT

nope after doing xbase for a lot of years - (boxley) - Aug. 3, 2001, 10:23:01 AM EDT

For those of you who frequent II... - (Yendor) - Aug. 3, 2001, 10:43:04 AM EDT

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