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New brain fart
what was the name of the guy that used to post here and has a whack blog that andrew pokes every now and again. I remember his ex wife's name was Janice but cant remember his
If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
New Nick Peterly?
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Drew
New thats it, thanx
If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
New Petreley. ;-)
New Janice?
That'd be "Jihad Jane" according to Nick. Unfortunately we have only one side of that story - it'd be fun to compare notes.

Nick remains very bitter both about both his former wife and the California divorce courts (he no longer lives in California).
New Nick predates my participation here...
but as I understand it he turned young-earth Christianist and his wife left him for a Muslim?

I could almost believe in "divine justice."

gleefully,
New Yes.
Nick was a dyed in the wool atheist. Atheists are absolutists, so when he flipped he flipped absolutely, and is now a hard core biblical literalist (King James version, I believe) and believes it to be the absolute infallible Word of God.

Apparently this was not sufficiently repressive of women for his wife's taste, so she left him and converted to Islam.

Nick is now a certified right-wingnut. Of course he believes in global cooling and the impossibility of mankind contributing anything whatever to global warming, as well as that Obama may not be the Devil himself, but is certainly a high level demon bent on destroying our country. Oh yes, and the one thing sacred other than God is profits.
New "Atheists are absolutists"?
Some are, to be sure, but I don't believe in the reality of Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the tenets of Scientology or the revelations purportedly vouchsafed Joseph Smith and compiled in the Book of Mormon. I don't believe I can fly to the moon on gossamer wings. I don't believe in Yahweh, or in the divinity of Jesus. How does this make me an absolutist, please?

cordially,
New Well, I give you . . .
. . our Peter, who's about as absolutist about atheism as any Bible banger is about God - and you're probably pretty absolutist in your non-belief in the Tooth Fairy too, I'd wager.
New Dunno about where Peter's Attention is focussed
… when something goes BUMP in the Night

But I Believe in..

DEATH and The Tooth Fairy as limned by T. Pratchett
(who describes these more vividly than the Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita and Such manage their menageries and demonologies.)
Was ecstatic to discover on the Tube, some years back (strange station between here and San Jose) a movie of a Pratchett plot!
It was beautifully done, especially DEATH and his granddaughter … and I realize I haven't searched for the particulars -- or for some other TP visual spectacular.
(Afraid I'll find ~~ there was only this One, I guess :-/)

You can have your Seventh Seal dour Swedish chess-playing 'Death'.. [bore, that one.]
DEATH (who always speaks IN CAPS) is the kinda alien creature it's almost worth the obligatory-dying … to get to Meet!

Besides, strictly interpreted, "a-Theism" IS merely the converse of Theism; there is the implication of faith-in-non-Being as your standard 'World-of-Opposites' corollary to all those other One-True-Faiths™-in-(a)-Being.

Agnosticism is the choice for those who acknowledge the difficulty ever of Proving (to whatever metaphysical standards) -- a Negative. Besides, all these cognomens beg the omissions of all small imaginations, that general tendency to Miss Seeing the real Mystery:

..that there is *Anything* at all,
let alone.. a 'being' (us) capable of Noticing,
let alone.. some emotionally needy Top-Geezer who likes being adored and threatens to make you listen to country music for several eons … if you fall short.

All Hail St. Pratchett!

(Has anyone heard how he's doing with the creeping Alzheimers?)
Bummer, that.. it's just the sort of punishment some vengeful Standard God >would< exact, for daring to be a whistle-blower even livelier than J. Swift.
May TP get outta this chicken outfit with his usual panache, I say.



Sick transit, Gloria: (SF) Muni
New Re: Dunno about where Peter's Attention is focussed
… when something goes BUMP in the Night

Not on the supernatural nature of said BUMP, that's for sure.

The universe is quite sufficiently wonderful, beautiful and marvellous in strictly scientific terms, without having to resort to constructing logical contradictions like a god who apparently loves us (but only a little bit, it seems, if you live in Haiti, or North Korea, or Burma, or...).
New The 'emotional brain' is quicker than the intellectual brain
(And the 'instinctive brain' quite faster than that, it is said. And demonstrated.)

Try not to completely-miss the ineffable, y'know?
Bipeds' application of scientific principles is desultory, at Best.
And there is little 'scientific thought' (or even 'thought') requisite in being profoundly moved by an aria (or even an Oratorio.)

We still don't know much beyond Shite about the multiple-dimensions (8, 11 or __?) and their rules and interactions, even within our unimaginably teensy %Total of that 'finite-but-unbounded' Universe.
As to the subtle interactions of the Whole Enchilada and our so-called consciousness: we're still toddlers.

(Besides, we homo-saps made-up all those words about worlds; some creatures might do tensor analysis via a mixture of trills and smells. Personally I find more that is Thoughtful in Pratchett's description of a foremost mathematician on his World (a camel it was) -- than anything from super-string theory, thus far.

Einstein's metaphysical quips indicate that his 'lab' was not constrained to just those "pretty pebbles found on a beach" ... and what their elastic coefficients might be. In a statistical universe, Certainty is a drug. I wot.
So if you're all-that-Sure ... all you have to do is stay Natural, right?
New I just don't see anything to change my mind.
Random speculation about higher beings who live in the folded dimensions between the branes is as useful to me as wondering about Russell's teapot.

I'm not certain about anything, but I don't fill the gaps with speculation.

This notion, that those who fail (and it's clear that you do perceive it as a failing) to accept that there might be a god (or gods, or whatever) are guilty of some weird thoughtcrime of believing that they somehow understand the universe as it presents itself to us, confuses me.

You see, in all of recorded history there has never been a reliable instance whereby the only reasonable explanation for some physical phenomenon was the ineffable. If the ineffable was actually effable, you'd expect to see something. Once. Perhaps?

As for the emotional response to music, or anything; well, let's just say that it probably makes perfect sense.

If you have a brain big enough to understand ours. We have anywhere between 15-30 billion neurons, each one connected up about ten thousand ways.

I don't think it's unreasonable to state that the human brain is probably the most complex structure we know of other than galaxies or superclusters.

It's hardly surprising that we don't have the first idea why it does some of the things it does.
New Re: I just don't see anything to change my mind.
When you preemptively foreclose all possible experiences of … that which you cannot analyze? Doesn't that just leave intellect, its fav acquired logical processes (and one's own guesstimates about Reason) even, say: to 'define' beauty?

Where does the ineffable / inexplicable demand corporate versions of the god-word? You presume, then imagine. As to a one believing that she 'understands the universe':
Why would anyone who fosters such a belief want to lop off all those other sensors and their respective … CPU's? (Ya think??) Sounds like voluntary amputation to me, unless you also think it's just 'the mind' which recognizes Jeremy Brett as The Sherlock Holmes. All by itself.

Difficult as it is to prove a negative, I can't imagine making a decision, say -- after asking the mind, ~ Are you all I Am?. I mean, whichever way the answer (and whence it arrives) -- isn't that a lot like someone saying to another, Look, I'm honest!

And we know why that's an impermissible statement. So why isn't the other?
(And as for the ineffable explaining itself.. and if it Can't: it Ain't.)
Oh, whence cometh this Sweet Reason which is elected the arbiter of the inexplicable? And how does one 'prove' (to self or other) that One Has this Sweet Reason, running on all 16 cylinders and explaining all that is Known and all that is Unknown?)

Wouldn't recursion be even more fun to parody?)

Clearly, YMDV
New Re: Janice?
looks like he may be in Ashville NC. I used to email Janice on occation back in the day before all the conversions going on
thanx,
bill
If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
New Re: brain fart
Hello, I am Nick Petreley's daughter.
I would like to offer one more side to this story.
When I was eight years old my mother converted to Islam after meeting a Muslim man on the internet. She and my father married as Christians, it was not a surprise to her.
She planned moving to Germany for a few months and was going to bring my half-brother with her but decided to leave him in the United States with my aunt and uncle and they have not seen each other since. She has taken my passport when I was younger, AFTER THE DIVORCE and AFTER SHE LOST CUSTODY.
I am somewhat jealous that you have had contact with my mother as she has not contacted me for the past 9 years.
I believe my father's negative description of my mother is justified based on all of that.
Apparently this is your idea of justice.
New sorry about that
I have not had contact with either since the split became public. Want to make that clear.
New "Divine Justice"
I read through both the older and recent posting on the subject. I wouldn't take the comment of "Divine Justice" with any credence. The individual fully admitted he had joined after the incident.

And while you have lots of facts and feeling on this case, I personally will withhold any judgement of Nick or Janice without more facts. Religion should always be at the personal level (imo) and discussions of religion can, without meaning to, offend people.

You may find, at some point in the future, you are able to contact your mom. You may never hear from her again. But if you get the chance to; it may be worthwhile to hear her out and find what she has to say for herself.
New Hello again...
I met you once when you were much younger when I took a trip out and visited...think we ate at the olive garden and since Nick couldn't do the Tastycakes...I came bearing gifts of pork roll.:-)

Anyway, for a while both your mother and father were fairly regular participants with this group (when he was writing for InfoWorld) and, unfortunately, we've lost touch with both.

Hope all is well...and just for balance...most of the folks here are certified left-wingnuts...I like to tease them :-)

Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Thanks for stopping by
I'm a S. Jersey guy who fell in love with Mastoris diner many years ago based on your dad's recommendation.

I'm sorry about your experiences in the family love/religious battles. Hopefully this level of exposure to the extremes gives you more perspective than most.

Take care
     brain fart - (boxley) - (19)
         Nick Peterly? -NT - (drook) - (2)
             thats it, thanx -NT - (boxley)
             Petreley. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott)
         Janice? - (Andrew Grygus) - (10)
             Nick predates my participation here... - (rcareaga) - (8)
                 Yes. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7)
                     "Atheists are absolutists"? - (rcareaga) - (6)
                         Well, I give you . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                             Dunno about where Peter's Attention is focussed - (Ashton) - (4)
                                 Re: Dunno about where Peter's Attention is focussed - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                     The 'emotional brain' is quicker than the intellectual brain - (Ashton) - (2)
                                         I just don't see anything to change my mind. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                             Re: I just don't see anything to change my mind. - (Ashton)
             Re: Janice? - (boxley)
         Re: brain fart - (fpe) - (4)
             sorry about that - (boxley)
             "Divine Justice" - (Mycroft_Holmes_Iv)
             Hello again... - (beepster)
             Thanks for stopping by - (crazy)

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