Which is inheriting PHP code. But point taken. I'm embarking on some serious Java programming here and it's just occurred to me that I might find some shit in there, too, despite the presence of such involved things like Hibernate and Struts which need to be complex enough that most programmers are bad at writing.

FWIW, I've noticed that obscure languages (e.g. Icon) tend to have better programmers because there's a certain enthusiasm required to use it.

Wade.