The babies born in hospital corridors

Post #313,106 by boxley 8/26/09 10:54:30 AM Reply	The babies born in hospital corridors must be pick on UK healthcare day :-) http://www.dailymail...ital-toilets.html Health chiefs admit a lack of maternity beds is partly to blame for the crisis, with hundreds of women in labour being turned away from hospitals because they are full. http://www.dailymail...ors-took-out.html Man collapses with ruptured appendix... three weeks after NHS doctors 'took it out' and yes the same crap happens here
Post #313,108 by drook 8/26/09 11:44:29 AM Reply	Still having two discussions here I think that napkin presentation really made a great point. Providing health care and paying for health care are two completely separate activities. And to some extent -- though I suspect there's actually a bunch of overlap among the players -- the activities are at odds with each other. The discussion in the U.S., for better or worse, has narrowed to the payment side. No one seems to be talking about the care provision side, except to point out failures in other countries' systems. -- Drew
Post #313,134 by warmachine 8/26/09 7:27:28 PM Reply	I'd be careful with the Daily Mail Never take the Daily Mail, or many other British newspapers, at face value. They have been known to make shit up. The MMR vaccine scare is an example. This is not to say the NHS doesn't have awful flaws or these stories are implausible but I'm regarding this as bullshit until it's examined on BBC 2's Newsnight, by The Times or by the The Guardian. What is really bizarre is that the Americans are describing the flaws with British healthcare when the proposed system is more like the Swiss! It is the existing VA system that is like the British model, not the proposed one. Unless someone tells me VA healthcare is a disaster, are the Americans really this dense that they denigrate the WRONG model? -------------------------------------------- Matthew Greet I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
Post #313,140 by boxley 8/26/09 8:50:37 PM Reply	uh, the VA IS a disaster :-) main problem being underfunded and micromanaged by political types unlike the Indian Health Service (also similar to the NHS) which is well delivered now but badly underfunded.
Post #313,144 by drook 8/26/09 9:12:10 PM Reply	You assume they know there are multiple models There's our model, and there's socialized medicine. -- Drew
Post #313,150 by pwhysall 8/27/09 1:40:27 AM Reply	Pseudocode! IF story.origin == the_daily_mail THEN story.bollocks.probability += 0.5 ELSE IF story_origin IN ARRAY uk.tabloids[] THEN story.bollocks.probability += 0.25 AND IF story.statistics.referenced.sources == 0 THEN story.bollocks.probability += 0.5 ENDIF
Post #313,158 by boxley 8/27/09 9:43:34 AM Reply	where does the telegraph fit? if def tabloid=[mail, mirror, sun] http://www.telegraph...ents-exposed.html The charity has disclosed a horrifying catalogue of elderly people left in pain, in soiled bed clothes, denied adequate food and drink, and suffering from repeatedly cancelled operations, missed diagnoses and dismissive staff. sounds like expensive american nursing homes thanx, bill

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