Wow, guess that attitude is set for life, huh?

Post #304,365 by drook 2/19/09 10:36:08 AM Reply	Wow, guess that attitude is set for life, huh? What's that rule, again? Anything that existed before you were 15 is how it's always been. Anything created when you're between 15 and 25 is modern and therefore better. Anything created when you're between 25 and 35 is new and bears careful attention. Anything created when you're between 35 and 45 is immature and not to be trusted. Anything created after you're 45 is recreating the wheel and unnecessary. So when you were 20 Democrats were the corrupt party, and the Republicans were the party of change. And that's how it's always going to be for you. Even though the Republicans are the ones who created systems 30 years ago to teach their people how to pervert the system. -- Drew
Post #304,366 by boxley 2/19/09 11:14:46 AM Reply	nope the democrats are from the big cities in most places big cities are notoriously corrupt locally, their local politicians run for federal offices. They dont change after they get there. If NYC LA Chicago and philly were republican bastions the republicans would be the party of corruption, not the democrats.
Post #304,368 by beepster 2/19/09 12:09:09 PM Reply	30 years ago the democrats were firmly in charge of congress and had been for years. what systems did republicans create? or did they just learn how to use the ones perfected over the prior 30 years? what's old is new again, and all that. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #304,371 by drook 2/19/09 1:38:49 PM 2/19/09 1:39:51 PM Reply	What systems? You're really saying you don't know? Start with the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute and the whole collection of think tanks. http://forwardameric...-think-tanks.html Then look at Patrick Henry College, "devoted to spreading its word, spreading its view of the world, and helping to place its students in positions of authority and influence," and Regent University School of Law. http://www.commondre...nes04/0421-09.htm http://www.boston.co...stian_law_school/ They don't just run on what they believe in. They build institutions designed to grow the next generation of true believers. -- Drew Edited by drook Feb. 19, 2009, 01:39:51 PM EST Expand All History
Post #304,408 by beepster 2/20/09 8:10:13 AM Reply	Oh my LORD they formed a couple of clubs! Quite the conspiracy One whole college?!?! Wow. Bet the Ivy League is in true revolt. And Berkeley enrollment is sure to plummet! I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #304,409 by boxley 2/20/09 8:35:11 AM Reply	started at faber 1962 because of the predations of wormer
Post #304,410 by Another Scott 2/20/09 9:03:23 AM Reply	Heh.
Post #304,411 by drook 2/20/09 9:53:22 AM Reply	Yup, just a couple of clubs With $multi-million/year budgets, but just clubs. With detailed, long-range plans to place true believers in positions of power, but just clubs. Try all you want to make it sound like Our Gang, these aren't just "a couple of clubs". -- Drew
Post #304,412 by beepster 2/20/09 10:04:37 AM Reply	Re: Yup, just a couple of clubs and what would you call Soros and his orgs, or others like the Economic Policy Institute and CLASP? Or are you so blinded that you think those nasty, evil republicans are the only ones that have organizations built to try and get their own into office? Do you >really, really< think that? Cause if you do, thats really sad. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #304,413 by Another Scott 2/20/09 10:11:09 AM Reply	OTOH... http://www.talkingpo...2009/02/wired.php Several times over the last few weeks I've said that notwithstanding the last two elections DC remains wired for Republicans. And each time I say that people write in to ask, what does that mean exactly? So here's what I mean. In Washington there's a formal government and a para-government. The formal government itself has all sorts of different layers to it -- the current crop of political appointees, the career employees, etc. But for the moment, let's put everyone who draws a paycheck from the United States government to one side and focus on everyone else. [...] Soros doesn't have much sway in the "para-government" as Josh calls it. Groups like the ones Drook cites, do. Sure, that may change over time and it has been different in the long-ago past. But it doesn't diminish the validity of their points, IMO. Cheers, Scott.
Post #304,529 by boxley 2/22/09 10:07:00 PM Reply	wll after eight years they burrowed in and replaced the demo technocrats in their place. It takes 2 administrations to root them out.
Post #304,414 by drook 2/20/09 10:23:26 AM Reply	Let's see ... Soros was primarily known as an investor and philanthropist until he started funding anti-Bush initiatives Clearly in response to a specific person. EPI was formed in 1986. Sounds like enough time to be in response to the conservative think tanks. The only reference I can find to CLASP that sounds remotely related is the program in Culture, Language, and Social Practice, a graduate certificate program at the University of Colorado at Boulder. Those are your best counter-examples? -- Drew
Post #304,415 by beepster 2/20/09 11:45:11 AM Reply	Re: Let's see ... Center for Law and Social Policy and 86 sounds to me an awful lot like when the democrats lost their lock on Washington. It seems true then, that you believe that only Republicans have an organized interest in seeking political office. To which I respond simply...wow. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #304,422 by drook 2/20/09 1:35:13 PM Reply	Do you remember what we're talking about? I do. Let's take a ride in the wayback machine, all the way to yesterday (I know that's too long to expect unaided memory): So when you were 20 Democrats were the corrupt party, and the Republicans were the party of change. And that's how it's always going to be for you. Even though the Republicans are the ones who created systems 30 years ago to teach their people how to pervert the system. The point is that people of a certain age are stuck in a mindset that what was true when they were younger is still true today. No matter that things have completely changed. To say that, "we expect it of the democrats," or, "If NYC LA Chicago and philly were republican bastions the republicans would be the party of corruption, not the democrats," shows a complete disconnect with the reality of the past decade. -- Drew
Post #304,441 by beepster 2/21/09 9:30:58 AM Reply	But they haven't names and faced may have changed...but pretending, all of a sudden, that only one party has organized to maintain itself in power is naive at best. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #304,444 by drook 2/21/09 10:26:00 AM Reply	I'm not the one saying "only one party" Box is the one who said the Democrats are "the party" of corruption. And again, your best defense seems to be, "They're no better." Not an actual defense of the Republican party, just tearing down the Democratic party to the same level. -- Drew
Post #304,513 by beepster 2/22/09 11:12:00 AM Reply	Because its appropriate you went off on a little tangent about how one side has got their "clubs" to maintain and build power as if that was somehow a differentiator. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #304,514 by drook 2/22/09 11:16:06 AM Reply	Miss the point all you want Box said the Democrats are "the party of corruption" and that Republicans are not. I said that might have been true once, but no longer is. My point was that his thinking is stuck in the reality of his youth. You haven't said anything yet to refute that. -- Drew
Post #304,515 by beepster 2/22/09 12:26:09 PM Reply	No, he simply snipped... that it was >expected< and you went flying off the handle about how the >repos< created some "top secret system" to pervert politics. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #304,516 by drook 2/22/09 12:58:05 PM Reply	Where did I imply it was secret? And when someone writes "the party of corruption" doesn't that imply the other party is not the party of corruption? -- Drew
Post #304,523 by Ashton 2/22/09 7:15:49 PM Reply	Sloganeering Demands that all nuance within the English language shall be superseded by (the usual mindless clash of ignorant armies by night. aka blab-words.) And when you try to drill-down past the meaningless-root, what you find is : there's an inexhaustible supply of vague innuendo, colinear yet strangely hyperbolic vectors (while remaining orthogonal to anything Actual on a certain oblate spheroid, hurting through space ... all unconcerned.) Clearly the Last Eight Years had Nothing To Do with any special, consistently-Awful daily practices of those whose flag has been Repo/forever, those who battered on the glass during the FL vote-recount and whose repetitive chant has Been that premeditated corruption-of-Language-Itself (of which one Geo. Orwell wrote so sententiously.) ie. Lay on, MacDuff, as the hallowe'ed Market Corrects [a possibly Final-time? This Time??] and as the $T in loot wings its way --> to the Maldives via never-sleeping electronic means (gotta love a Mal- in a place-name) ... all while the rest of the world asks/now practically intones, as they stick pins in the Murica Doll: Just How Corrupt IS America, Anyway? _________________________________________ The Greatest-little Banana Republic inna Woild ..now: On Sale to the Highest Bidder on eTerra! The place where National Entities are hawked by bid (or in certain cases there's a Buy It Now sticker)
Post #304,525 by beepster 2/22/09 8:39:15 PM Reply	I'll stop typing sarcasm and no, it doesn't. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #304,526 by a6l6e6x 2/22/09 8:55:09 PM Reply	Which is why the "Slippery" sign is essential. Alex
Post #304,531 by boxley 2/22/09 10:12:27 PM Reply	I did not the democrats are the party of corrupt machine politics since the last 150 yrs. The republicans are just as corrupt with a powerbase in the business class and finance. You wont find abramoff stuffing blocks of $100 into his freezer, they use financial laundry for that. Perhaps a better phrase, Republicans are corrupt and democrats are petty crooks
Post #304,530 by boxley 2/22/09 10:08:15 PM Reply	try the last 200 years, you have to take the long view

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