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New Dems caused financial crisis
Whaa?

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We're on the brink of an economic disaster and another Great Depression. This was not caused by Republicans. This was caused solely by Democrats.

In 1977 Democratic President Jimmy Carter passed the Community Reinvestment Act to provide housing to poor people. In the 1990s Bill Clinton had Attorney General Janet Reno threaten banks under red lining rules into giving loans to people who could not afford them. Then in the last 8 years, the leftist group ACORN, which has ties to Barack Obama, went to banks and threatened them to relax their rules again. Banks had to give loans to people who had no jobs or no identification.
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Answering this seems futile, but what the heck....
http://www.dailykos....2/9542/629/660423
New It's the "Obama Recession" donchaknkow.
These folks have become (?) caricatures of themselves. Trouble is, too many people watch/listen to/read them because they accept their viewpoint as being correct.

Cognitive dissonance strikes again, but without the "uncomfortable feeling" that something's wrong. :-(

Cheers,
Scott.
New fair is fair
after all clinton caused the last recession and you promptly blamed it on bush
thanx,
bill
New No, they ignored it till it hit
Creating the environment for it to happen is a pox on both sides...but when the Reps realized what was going to happen, the dems covered eyes and ears and said "everything is fine".

Mind you...this makes a great environment for them to come in and have government "fix" it...which is what they want.
New Ooohhhhh ... THEY are at it again {{shudder}}
New Yes they are
payback to the UAW. That's only going to cost us 50B (25 already approved, asking for 25 more). We could buy the entire industry lock, stock and barrel for about 7.
New The best answer
.. came from Ashton Kutcher on an episode of Real Time. Make the oil companies pay for the car companies bailout.


Ooh, karma.
New Hey.. got one of his T-shirts!

What Would Ashton Do?
New sure no problem
so how much per gallon are you willing to pay for gas? If you had a car :-)
New Speaking of which: $1.85 yesterday
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New and I budgeted my trip for $3.50 gas :-)
New Dunno, $15.00?
New so who is going to pay for the bailout again :-)
New OT how far are you from springfield?
New 80 miles or so
New Couldn't fix it in 8 years?
6 of those years pretty much unopposed, and the last two opposed by a truly wimpy congress.

OK, the house is yours. You might notice it's on fire, but that's not my fault, it was burning when I bought it 8 years ago.

Sheesh.

If that's how we're looking at it, it's Montezuma's fault: if he'd whacked Cortez when he had the chance, we'd just request a loan from our Mexican overlords.

New Re: Couldn't fix it in 8 years?
http://query.nytimes...&pagewanted=print

"September 11, 2003

..

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt -- is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.

..

'These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said. "

C'mon now. We've had this discussion about the do nothing Congress already.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New Who controlled the Congress in 2003, again?
Also, Krugman has a counterpoint: http://www.nytimes.c...&exprod=permalink

From July 2008 (the Fannie and Freddy bailouts happened in September)

But here’s the thing: Fannie and Freddie had nothing to do with the explosion of high-risk lending a few years ago, an explosion that dwarfed the S.& L. fiasco. In fact, Fannie and Freddie, after growing rapidly in the 1990s, largely faded from the scene during the height of the housing bubble.

Partly that’s because regulators, responding to accounting scandals at the companies, placed temporary restraints on both Fannie and Freddie that curtailed their lending just as housing prices were really taking off. Also, they didn’t do any subprime lending, because they can’t: the definition of a subprime loan is precisely a loan that doesn’t meet the requirement, imposed by law, that Fannie and Freddie buy only mortgages issued to borrowers who made substantial down payments and carefully documented their income.

So whatever bad incentives the implicit federal guarantee creates have been offset by the fact that Fannie and Freddie were and are tightly regulated with regard to the risks they can take. You could say that the Fannie-Freddie experience shows that regulation works.


HTH!

Cheers,
Scott.
New So
if they were buying only safe loans, why did they need bailed out again? I would say that something definitely was not working.

If F and F didn't go down, would the crap have still hit the fan...most likely. But a closer eye on the market starting in 03 >may< have also brought about more regulation for MBS (mortgage backed securities). That may have saved us.

Serious case of monday morning quarterbacking, most certainly. But everyone gets to share in this failure. Its a Washington thing, not a party thing.

I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New F&F were big problems, no doubt.
But it wasn't Barney's fault that George and the Treasury didn't oversee them properly. Of course, it wasn't all the Administration's fault either - F&F were too big and weren't conservative enough in their management of their responsibilities.

Once the housing market started declining in a serious way, F&F were going to be in trouble no matter how well they were managed. They were too big and too dependent on stable or rising housing values.

Marketwatch: http://www.marketwat...BE0-09BE0B9EE60D}

Together, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac form the cornerstones of the U.S. mortgage market and own or guarantee more than $5 trillion worth of American mortgages -- or almost half the home loans in the country's roughly $12 trillion mortgage market. Over the past year, the companies have recorded combined losses of around $14 billion.

For months, investors and political figures fiercely debated the idea of a government takeover or some other form of rescue. Critics of the idea -- including many Republicans and longtime opponents of the two mortgage agencies -- had argued the firms own mismanagement caused their downfall and should be allowed to fail.

However, damaging accounting scandals, questionable management, inadequate capital reserves and a crashing residential real estate market proved too much for even the Bush administration. During an election year in which the housing market meltdown has become a central issue, the market lost confidence in the government-sponsored mortgage entities and their financing costs rose to unsustainable levels.

Republican and Democratic leaders alike began to call for Washington to take greater steps to safeguard the capital structure of the GSEs, for government-sponsored enterprises.

Their demise and rescue promises to have an impact on how Americans buy and sell houses for years to come.

[...]

Fannie and Freddie were also generally allowed to have less capital in reserve than other financial firms, so when the mortgage bubble burst and the contagion spread from low-quality loans to the higher quality loans Fannie and Freddie deal with, they had less of safety net.


FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
     Dems caused financial crisis - (Silverlock) - (19)
         It's the "Obama Recession" donchaknkow. - (Another Scott)
         fair is fair - (boxley)
         No, they ignored it till it hit - (beepster) - (11)
             Ooohhhhh ... THEY are at it again {{shudder}} -NT - (Ashton) - (10)
                 Yes they are - (beepster) - (9)
                     The best answer - (Silverlock) - (8)
                         Hey.. got one of his T-shirts! - (Ashton)
                         sure no problem - (boxley) - (6)
                             Speaking of which: $1.85 yesterday -NT - (malraux) - (1)
                                 and I budgeted my trip for $3.50 gas :-) -NT - (boxley)
                             Dunno, $15.00? -NT - (Silverlock) - (3)
                                 so who is going to pay for the bailout again :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                 OT how far are you from springfield? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                     80 miles or so -NT - (Silverlock)
         Couldn't fix it in 8 years? - (mhuber) - (4)
             Re: Couldn't fix it in 8 years? - (beepster) - (3)
                 Who controlled the Congress in 2003, again? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     So - (beepster) - (1)
                         F&F were big problems, no doubt. - (Another Scott)

Thank GOD you finished that sentence.
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