GRRdamn I hate you, Lotus Notes!

Post #2,964 by jlalexander 7/27/01 2:49:33 PM Reply	GRRdamn I hate you, Lotus Notes! YOU SUCK! Yeah, you heard me. All you ever do is crash on me, or cause my entire work station to crash, then when I get back up, you refuse to open due to some esoteric error message! WHATEVER! And what's up with your applications? They all look the same! What's up with that? And, let's not even get started with your mail. As my good friend, Scott, says: I hates you, yessssss..... oRant.off(); -Jason In Unit Test Case writing hell (on a Friday, no less), with Lotus Notes trying to ambush my efforts through out the day. Slightly insane at the moment. ---- My pid is Inigo Montoya. You "killed -9" my parent process. Prepare to vi.
Post #2,969 by addison 7/27/01 4:02:50 PM Reply	Heard something yesterday. As I tried to get Snots running on Solaris. Of course, they don't make CLIENTS for UNIX anymore. The first version of notes, including the interface, were designed by a guy who didn't believe in the CompSci stuff. Twas a businessman, twas he. And did we mention dyslexic? Which is why / = \\ until recently. And some other UI insights. I don't have any clue where Notes is supposed to be going. The 5 client is uasable, crappy, but usable. Applications looking the same I don't think is a huge problem, though.... One of our app guys was telling me his first Snots install was at an engineering place, where they were building a plane. 500 M CAD file. That they emailed back and forth. 100 engineers. (And would copy everybody else on changes) They apparently had terabytes of disk space before he was done.... (at least Groupwise only makes ONE copy of a mail to everybody). Addison
Post #3,003 by static 7/30/01 6:59:59 AM Reply	Notes Unix clients. A few months back, I began agitating on Lotus] web forum about a Linux client. Several other people began to pitch in until someone posted that he'd actually asked in person at a Lotus event about the possibility of a Linux client: and Lotus weren't interested in porting v5 to Linux or anything else, mostly because it was enough of a headache to port the server... (wimps) Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #3,037 by addison 7/30/01 11:14:38 AM Reply	Re: Notes Unix clients. This is one of the reasons that I don't really care about Notes. They're all idiots there. Must have been part of the IBM-Lotus buyout that they couldn't fire the idiots. And they're all idiots. The interface is pathetic, the servers are sluggish, the marketing could take lessons from Commodore-Amiga and do better.... And they seem geniunly surprised that the Linux community isn't flocking to them, since they've ported the server to Linux. (nevermind that most of that community runs Linux on the desktop as well, and golly, Note's Ain't That Useful without a client. Meanwhile, you've got to run Windows to use the client, which sucks on any OS.... Notes admins tell me the reason they use NT for servers is that "Its almost impossible to administer a server without a client running on it, and Windows has the only client". Bah. They need LARTing, severely. Addison
Post #3,171 by static 7/31/01 3:24:06 AM Reply	Curious thing about Notes. Although Lotus sell and support it, there's another company who actually write it. They're called Iris. And it seems to be the Iris team who dont't want to port it. Unfortunately, from what I can work out, Lotus can't port it without Iris' help because Iris own the code! But I'm not sure about all that... Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #4,147 by ben_tilly 8/7/01 11:38:57 PM Reply	I asked in person at a Linux conference I was told that they had reports of people successfully running the Windows client with Wine, and they thought that was enough. Oh well. Killing Lotus Notes is on our ToDo list anyways... Cheers, Ben
Post #4,159 by static 8/8/01 3:54:08 AM Reply	Ah - it was you! I knew I remembered it... "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #4,295 by imric 8/8/01 6:51:39 PM Reply	Bastiches... Lousy farging iceholes... If it runs under wine, how big a step is it to compiling it using the winelibs? Sheesh. They're not even GPLed - they 'lose' no IP rights. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Post #4,356 by addison 8/9/01 10:56:59 AM Reply	Killing notes? I presume, at your company, that is. Drat. They are perhaps the most perfect example of a group that Does Not Get It [anything]. "Here. Here's our product. Use it. Shaddup. Use it. No, we don't CARE what you like. Use it." "Whaddya mean people aren't using it?" Addison
Post #4,480 by Ashton 8/10/01 12:30:04 AM Reply	Kinda like a friendly HMO, then?
Post #5,678 by inthane-chan 8/17/01 4:54:59 PM Reply	Naw. HMOs care about profit. The way Notes is being run, it's like they want to lose customers. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #3,077 by inthane-chan 7/30/01 2:54:20 PM Reply	Interface Hall of Shame: Lotus Notes 4.6 [link\|http://www.iarchitect.com/lotus.htm\|http://www.iarchitect.com/lotus.htm]
Post #2,978 by admin 7/29/01 4:37:03 PM Reply	Unit test case writing hell?? WTF didn't you write them as you went?? ;-) Regards, -scott anderson
Post #3,175 by jlalexander 7/31/01 7:51:30 AM Reply	Re: Unit test case writing hell?? Don't look at me! Pre-existing application, psycho boss got uninstalled, and then formal company documentation was necessary, thus the unit tests being written. Hell, this application has been around for nearly 3 years. We're only doing another release on it! :) -Jason ---- My pid is Inigo Montoya. You "killed -9" my parent process. Prepare to vi.
Post #3,270 by admin 7/31/01 2:25:32 PM Reply	And? AND?? And why didn't you use the official IWETHEY TARDIS to go back and beat some sense into them 3 years ago?? Regards, -scott anderson
Post #3,317 by addison 7/31/01 9:12:06 PM Reply	UM. Cause according to the sign-out sheet you've still got it? (and THIS time, would you refill the tub of jellybabies?) Addison
Post #3,340 by admin 7/31/01 10:51:05 PM Reply	Urk. Um, yeah. Well, don't let it happen again, eh? Regards, -scott anderson
Post #3,022 by DonRichards 7/30/01 9:59:27 AM Reply	I didn't know the Rod of Rotating Greatness.. could be used to damn people. :-> "When it crosses my mind to do something, I don't ask why, I ask why not. And usually there's no reason not to, so I just go ahead. It's given me the strangest collection of hats"

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