Post #296,142
11/16/07 8:11:55 PM
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Upgrade to Kubuntu 7.10 went fine.
I upgraded this T41 laptop to Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) last night using Adept. It went fine. The only thing that was weird was my wireless settings weren't correct, but they were weird on 6.04 as well (wrong gateway and wrong IP address via DHCP for some reason), but it was easy to fix.
So far, I don't notice major changes but some minor improvements have appeared - like Power Manager shows the CPU speed as being 1700 MHz rather than 600 MHz under dynamic operation.
It still has the weirdness of treating the left Alt key differently than the right. (E.g. left-Alt + leftarrow = back a page in Firefox; right-Alt + leftarrow = nothing).
So far, so good.
Cheers, Scott. (117 Processes, 1083 MB used, 992 KB free, Swap 0 KB used, 1028 MB free)
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Post #296,150
11/17/07 5:59:40 AM
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Have you been having any issues with Numlock?
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Post #296,155
11/17/07 8:20:56 AM
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Yeah. See #296154.
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Post #296,152
11/17/07 6:17:27 AM
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Does it have - or does it think it has - a euro keyboard?
I have exactly the same phenomenon here on my HP POSwhatever work laptop, in both FB and IE... But then, my right "Alt" key isn't an "Alt" key, exactly -- it's clearly marked "Alt Gr".
My guess is, either (possibly but not very probably IMO) your Big Blue (or Blue Dragon?) lapper has a similar keyboard, only marked "Alt" on both sides, or (more probable AFAICS) some keyboard driver or whatever in your install makes it behave as if it did.
K-ubuntu, you say? As in, Ubuntu with KDE -- that very-German-influenced, if I understood correctly, desktop environment?
That's my prime suspect, anyway.
HTH!
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Post #296,153
11/17/07 7:32:17 AM
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It's probably been setup as 'US - International'.
Many many distros ask you to pick which keyboard you've got but fail to explain why there are two 'US' layouts. The 'US - International' one treats the two Alt keys differently, actually making the right one an AltGr key. The other 'US' layout treats them both as Alt.
Wade.
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Post #296,154
11/17/07 8:19:19 AM
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I don't think that's it, but it may be related.
Back in Kubuntu, and again I had to reset the IP address. Hmmm...
Anyway, K-> System Settings -> Regional & Language: Keyboard Layout (grayed out, but shows US English). I don't see a US International setting.
K-> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse: Keyboard Shortcuts:
left-Alt = "Alt" right-Alt = "ISO_Level3_Shift"
I don't know what that means, but it explains why the keys behave differently. It's not a big deal, but it's curious.
There is no separate Alt-Gr key on this keyboard. To enable the number pad in the keyboard, one has to hit Shift+NumLock. But KDE uses that to enable some "Mouse Key Accessability Tool". Hitting Cancel when that popup appears gives some combination of a number pad and arrow keys. But with NumLock on or off it makes no difference to the right-Alt key instruction in the Keyboard Shortcut app. Hmm...
Why doesn't KDE and GNOME use the [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_User_Access|CUA] keyboard -shortcuts (or at least offer them as a pre-defined option)? Alt-F4 often works, but sometimes doesn't. Alt-Space + N should call up the window's menu and then Minimize it. Etc., etc. Not having the keyboard bindings that I'm used to is one of the annoying things about using these desktops... :-(
(Yeah, yeah, it can be defined by the user, etc. I know. ;-)
Thanks.
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #296,183
11/17/07 10:44:42 PM
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That would be it exactly.
Just described in a different way. :-)
If you were to change the right-alt defintion to "Alt" then RightAlt+LeftArrow would function in Mozilla the way you were expecting.
Wade.
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Post #296,250
11/19/07 9:36:11 AM
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It's not clear how one does that. Pointers?
Hi Wade, If you were to change the right-alt defintion to "Alt" then RightAlt+LeftArrow would function in Mozilla the way you were expecting. Any idea how to do that? The applet I was playing around with lets you tell the GUI what to do with a keystroke, but doesn't seem to let you define the instruction sent by the key. Thanks. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #296,278
11/19/07 6:00:39 PM
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Ah. That I don't know.
I don't play in KDE - my window manager of choice is Window Maker. :-)
Wade.
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Post #296,156
11/17/07 8:27:15 AM
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You may be on to something. See #296154.
It's an old IBM T41. In Windows both Alt keys act the same. It's only in KDE and GNOME that I've noticed the difference. There's nothing obvious in the information I've been able to find that indicates it's using an international keyboard layout. More details in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=296154|#296154].
You're exactly right about [link|http://kubuntu.org/|Kubuntu] - it's Ubuntu with KDE as the default desktop. I'm tempted to try out [link|http://xubuntu.org/|Xubuntu] one of these days (Ubuntu with the Xfce desktop as the default). Maybe it uses keyboard shortcuts that are more to my liking...
Thanks.
Cheers, Scott.
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