Post #291,931
8/29/07 11:56:08 PM
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I am sure there will be some things...
But in general, it should be fine.
Yes there will be issues like AG's whining little crap... and stuff where people have their head up their ass. In general though Mepis basing it on Dapper was not a wise decision.
Dapper was told to us to be, Long Term Support. Not Long Term Support with ALL NEW STUFF added in for good measure. It was a "Peg in the Wall" that continually moves down. You put your peg in the wall and ride it down for upto 5 years. For anyone to base a Leading Edge type of set of choices like Mepis usually does, was not a genuinely made decision.
6 month releases, are for the current set of packages. Dapper isn't going to get new kernels or X or Firefox or so on... it is going to get maintenance and security updates. That is it.
IMO, never did make sense for a Desktop setup to go based on Dapper.
Scott, your updates should eventually be fine, though you will probably have some chasing to do.
Why do people keep going off to other distros and keep coming back to Debian? It happens all the time, and continues to happen.
Listen, why not just swallow the SID pill those that really use Debian do in the first place. For a desktop solution, I used SID. For my personal Servers, I use Sid. For machines REALLY important to me, I use well Stable or Testing (and lag behind in updates).
You all give Windows WIDE BERTH in this area (and OS2 for some of you)... yet ONE LITTLE hiccup and you are off biatching about "Linux it's not for Desktops" and even others "Linux its crap for Servers"
I am done trying.
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Post #291,932
8/30/07 12:08:39 AM
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Hold on there, pardner.
I'm not complaining at all. I would have been pleasantly surprised, but not shocked, if everything had upgraded without a hitch. I was able to do an upgrade of Kubuntu a few weeks after release without issues. Tonight I was just seeing what would happen.
It was prompted by a discussion at work with someone who is trying to get a new Mac laptop and thinking about running Parallels or VMWare to run the occasional Windows program. I hadn't booted Kubuntu in a while so I decided to do so.
Few get as annoyed with Windows as me; but it takes a while to get comfortable enough to make the jump. I've had good luck with MEPIS, but the fact that it's such a small distro makes me nervous. Ubuntu has the mindshare, but a few minor things seem to happen now and again that I don't know enough about yet to fix. Raw Debian sounds safest, but developing the knowledgebase and comfort level to get things done with confidence will likely take more time than I can give right now.
Don't be too hard on Andrew. Please.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #291,937
8/30/07 12:47:15 AM
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Oh, don't worry about me.
My hide was tempered on Usenet back in the olden days.
This month I've prepped several Debian servers for shipment to Florida and Michigan. RAID, terminal servers, SAMBA, ftp, ssh, bar code printers, tape drives, etc. - mostly upgrades replacing SCO Open Server boxes. Some I built, others are Dells.
The accounting VAR I configure for knows they go in without a hitch and he's sending me a couple more Dells next week - but this time I have to figure out how to make a USB flash driver work - I hope that's not "an interesting problem".
Fortunately I don't have to worry about "in place upgrades" - these machines won't be touched for 5 to 10 years - baring hardware failures.
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Post #291,941
8/30/07 2:27:07 AM
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I don't think that means what you seem to think it means.
Greg laments: You all give Windows WIDE BERTH in this area... AFAIK, to give something a wide berth means to avoid it, not to treat it preferentially as you seem to be trying to say. HTH!
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Post #291,944
8/30/07 2:56:27 AM
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Oh, I think he's just having a bad evening.
We certainly do give Windows a "wide berth". He forgets my 2003 and Beyond article and my recent attacks on Vista - which make my criticisms of Linux seem rather pale.
Unfortunately I can only give Windows a wide berth in my own office. Most of my clients are stuck with it. When the software you run your business on requires SQL Server, well, you feed the beast (no, there are no viable Linux equivalents, and not likely to be any anytime soon).
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Post #291,966
8/30/07 9:42:52 AM
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SQL Server Equivalents
Just curious as to what you think is lacking. I'm guessing "ease of administration" tools.
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Post #291,967
8/30/07 9:55:55 AM
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I assume it's issues with add-ons.
E.g. Some business requires a particular tool that is only supported when it talks to SQL Server.
Just my guess, though.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #291,968
8/30/07 9:56:42 AM
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Boxed vertical market software, I wot.
They're the bits there's no replacement for.
I have a badly organised desk drawer that's more than a match for SQL Server itself.
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Post #291,975
8/30/07 11:08:14 AM
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Well, sort of boxed.
Believe it or not a lot of packages, even ones with national distribution, still come as a CD tucked in the pocket of a loose leaf manual binder - just like in the old days of CP/M-80 (but it was a floppy back then).
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Post #291,972
8/30/07 10:29:00 AM
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Ease of administration is irrelevant.
So is actual functionality of the engine.
What is important is the software house will only support it on SQL Server, or on the Windows version of some other database.
Since all specialty software has flaws and quirks it's a bad business decision not to follow the vendor's recommendations to the letter. If a problem comes up they'll grasp the first straw they see and refuse support.
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Post #291,999
8/30/07 10:13:20 PM
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I know what it's lacking.
Standardised SQL.
It's not a problem unique to MS SQL Server, unfortunately, as *all* the database engines have their unique variant of SQL - Oracle, Sybase, even MySQL and PostGresQL. Some have fewer extensions than others, mind you, but few OTS applications are capable of talking to 'any' SQL backend: they are almost always coded to talk to a specific one. It's a bit like the home computer BASIC wars writ large.
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Post #291,961
8/30/07 8:11:36 AM
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Perhaps he meant WIDE STANCE?
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/28/AR2007082801664.html?hpid=topnews|Dana Milbank] at the Washington Post.
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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