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I've just dipped my toe into the world of proper HD telly with the acquisition of a modest 32" TV, a Toshiba 32C3030D. Not large, by the market standards, but then neither is my living room. PS2 is now connected via component cable for droolsome picture quality, and I get a small amount of HD content for free (mainly The Blue Planet and Superhuman, but there's a few films. The quantity of HD content will only ever go up). Nice telly. Good picture. Reasonable speakers.

How many others have done similar?


Peter
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New Not me. No plans to either.
At least not for a few years. TV sucks so bad I think I turn it on maybe twice a week. The only games I play are on my PC so there's no real need to shell out the dough for tech I won't use.
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Atheism is a religion in the same sense that not collecting stamps is a hobby.
New Been HD since 2001
I've become an HD snob - there's only 2 shows that I watch in Standard Def: Dr. Who and Battlestar Galactica. I could watch BG in HD on [link|http://www.universalhd.com/|Universal HD], but they're just now starting the season 3.

Make sure you tell your DVD player that it's on a 16:9 set, otherwise it'll assume 4:3 and discard 1/4th of the picture detail before it sends it to your TV.
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New Resisted for a long while, but will likely in a few months
I'll probably get one these [link|http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889253072|Toshiba 32HL67] HDTVs for our bedroom (nothing bigger will fit). If the version with the DVD player (32LV67) took disks from below, it would be perfect for saving space, but there's no space for a side-loading DVD where it's going (between 2 closets).

Cheers,
Scott.
New Very similar to mine...
...but mine has two HDMI inputs and a couple of SCART inputs, and only one component input.


Peter
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New /me raises hand
[link|http://www.hitachi.us/tv/browse/plasma/plasma/42hdt79.shtml|42 inch Hitachi] that I got one hell of deal on.

Coolest feature

Power Swivel Tabletop Stand
Use your remote control to swivel the TV to the best viewing angle

And I bought an upconvert dvd player...and its set to 720 and 16*9. Still, it depends on the movie as to whether it shows fully on the screen or has the top and bottom bars. At that point, the TV has some great aspect modification tech.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New HD Here
Got a Magnaovx 42" on sale as a store demo. Love the HD. When we moved, we got a 2nd HD 32" for the bedroom.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
New Someone left a CRT set here . . .
. . and I put it in a corner. I can watch it but it has no antenna and only gets snow. I don't think I need HD snow so this one will do fine.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New this is my second hdtv
I sold the first 48 inch because I didnt want to haul it up the stairs when I moved, the second one came delivered. Samsung 52inch built in dolby bloody svid coax and other hookups all over the place. Outputs as well. I find if one goes to the shop, examine the latest and greatest tech then ask when the last to next latest and greatest tech goes on sale. You will save a bunch. Paid $1850 4 years ago.
thanx,
bill
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
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New Underway.
I have a PC running MythTV with a HD tuner card in it. When I have the funds, I was intending to look for a DVI-capable projector. Until then, I'm using the composite output from the video card to drive a borrowed 46cm TV...

Wade.


Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please



-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

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New a 46cm TV a 2inch TV? need to borry a magnifying glass?
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New 46 centimetres is about 17 inches.
What were you thinking '46cm' meant?

Wade.


Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please



-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

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New got mili and cent mixed up
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New Nope.
We've got a 52" (54? dunno) hand-me-down projection TV from my parents that they gave to us when they moved into a house too small for it. I think it's about 8 years old, maybe older, and ginormous.

I don't care about television enough to want to upgrade right now.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I've had a 42" plasma Panasonic since the fall of '05.
Primarily used to watch "deformed" regular cable TV. Paid HDTV programming is just not worth it to me. I haven't even botheed to pick up directly transmitted HDTV from the, the last time I checked, 6 local stations. That would require an external antenna.

The set replaced a 12 year old 30" Sony whose tuner had failed.
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New Antenna
got an HDTV last summer
TW did not have Fox and wanted to see the World Series in HD

hadn't thought about antennas since Satan knows when
wife said no rof-climbing to install antenna
got one for $80 that sits on the same cabinet as TV
pulls in all local HD channels

A
Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy
Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET
All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM
Reggae, African and Caribbean Music
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New What kind of antenna did you get?
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New One of these probably
[link|http://www.skyvision.com/store/mi1500089.html|seen these at Radidio Shack]
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New This One
[link|http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7322587&st=hd+antenna&type=product&id=1118844608800|This one]

A

Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy
Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET
All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM
Reggae, African and Caribbean Music
[link|http://westcottradio.org|Tune In]
New Thanks!
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New Not 'til my current projector dies
I guess the closest I've come to HD content is running my GameCube in 720p mode - worked a treat, looked pretty enough. My projector doesn't have HDMI inputs, but I guess the next one will - but currently I'm not in any rush to upgrade.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
New Current TV is only a few years old
We got a Sony Wega ED (not HD) and it's working just fine. We mostly use it for watching DVDs, but I have an iPod dock that lets me play through the TV as well.

I don't remember the last time I watched a show in real-time.
Tom Sinclair

Kaylee: Wash, tell me I'm pretty.
Wash: Were I unwed, I would take you in a manly fashion.
Kaylee: Because I'm pretty?
Wash: Because you're pretty.
- "Heart of Gold", Firefly
New Re: Current TV is only a few years old
I don't remember the last time I watched a show in real-time.
same here - though that's due to the DVR.
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New Re: Current TV is only a few years old
We've got the DVR via our cable company.

I'm also building a video server with a six year old PowerMac Dual G4. Right now it just streams to my laptop, but I'm looking at the AppleTV down the line.
Tom Sinclair

Kaylee: Wash, tell me I'm pretty.
Wash: Were I unwed, I would take you in a manly fashion.
Kaylee: Because I'm pretty?
Wash: Because you're pretty.
- "Heart of Gold", Firefly
New Nope.
I've got a 20" LCD monitor on my computer and a decent sound system - I watch movies on it.
Odoru aho ni miru aho!
Onaji aho nara odoranya son son!
New Thinking about it; next year, probably.
They're going to shut down the analogue terrestrial transmissions in Finland in... August or September (this year), I think it was. I've been speculating about building my own "Recording Digi-Box"(*) in the form of a Myth-TV PC, but fuck knows if I can be arsed to(+). Anyway, part of these idle speculations was also that maybe we ought to upgrade our actual display screen at the same time... Except Anki's big old Philips CRT isn't actually all that old, and plenty big enough, and working fine, within its limits... So it would feel pretty wasteful to throw it out just to get more stpuid pixels.

Anyway, since they(#) gave cable viewers a reprieve by allowing the cable companies to convert the digital signal to analogue, extending the deadline for consumers to get real digital reception until sometime next year, I probably won't get my thumb out and do anything at all until then. (And then, I know it already, I'll be forced to buy something in a hurry, and as a consequence get stuck with some worthless over-priced crap. Oh the joyous life of the chronic procrastinator.)



(*): Is that what those things you put between a digital-signal antenna lead and an old analogue TV set are called elsewhere too, or is this a Finnish expression? Idunno. ('Cept I know it would be Finglish, not Finnish. And in Finglish "box" is spelled "boksi", so they're actually called "Digi-boksi".)

(+): I was going to replace my old desktop with one that I'd build myself, finally, "from the ground up"... Been months and months, and it feels ever more silly as pre-built boxes are getting more and more cheaper than any pile of parts I could buy.

(#): You know, "they". The Finnish equivalent of the FCC, I suppose. (Can't for the life of me remember what they're called, right now; fortunately, it doesn't AFAICS matter.)


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603|Jehovah]
New They call them "set top converter boxes" here.
[link|http://sev.prnewswire.com/consumer-electronics/20070604/DCM02104062007-1.html|PR Newswire]:

It is also apparent that over-the-air households have resisted subscription campaigns by cable and satellite companies, according to APTS research. The population of over-the-air households has virtually remained unchanged since 2004 at 22.6 million, compared with 22.5 million in the first quarter of 2007.

As the nation prepares for the transition from analog to digital-only signals, consumers are generally unaware of the nature of the transition and do not fully know what the direct impact on their ability to watch TV will be, the study concluded. An earlier APTS report revealed that 61 percent of over- the-air households had "no idea" the DTV transition was taking place.

[...]

The study also revealed that of the 22 million U.S. households that get their television exclusively free and over-the-air, only 7% own a digital television, compared to 23% who subscribe to cable or satellite. Therefore, few of these households are now equipped to obtain digital TV programming on an over-the-air basis and will be slow in making the change to televisions capable of receiving digital signals.

When Congress passed legislation in 2006 to end analog TV broadcasting, it projected the U.S. Treasury will pocket $10 billion by auctioning off the channels now used by analog broadcasters. The government also set aside up to $1.5 billion for a coupon program to subsidize digital-to-analog set-top converter boxes. But Congress only provided $5 million to make consumers aware of the coupon program and the end of analog television.


It's only the "over-the-air" channels that are being forced to go digital by February 2009 - cable systems can still be analog. But since cable companies can charge more for HD channels, etc., it's likely that most of the cable companies will be mostly digital by then as well.

I suspect that by late next year, there will be pressure for bigger subsidies for people to get converter boxes at little or no cost.

Cheers,
Scott.
New coming soon to a cable company near you is the
"open" set top box that you own, can purchase from any vendor and the cable companies have to ensure that they hit the box in a standards based fashion. More features, less cost and a boon to all,
thanx,
bill
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New Like this?
[link|http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun_settop_0610jun10,0,1337296.story?coll=chi-bizfront-hed|Chicago Tribune]:

But next month, a new federal rule goes into effect that's aimed at creating a retail market for set-top boxes and fostering more competition and innovation in a business dominated by Schaumburg-based Motorola Inc. and one other company.

While that may sound like admirable policy, some cable equipment analysts doubt it will work well: They say consumers will be reluctant to pay a few hundred bucks for a box when they can rent one for a few dollars a month, as they do now. Electronics manufacturers, including TV industry upstart TiVo Inc., beg to differ.

What seems more certain is that consumers' monthly cable bills are likely to rise a few dollars after the new rule takes effect. That's because the cable box born from the regulation costs more to produce, a cost likely to get passed down to TV watchers, analysts and cable operators say.

The rule change pivots on security technology, which allows consumers to watch only the channels they've paid for. That technology is integrated into the set-top box. As of July 1, it will be separated via a "cable card" that's plugged into a slot in the back of a set-top box.

The rule change doesn't require cable customers to get a new cable box. Only boxes deployed after July 1 must have separable security. And cable companies can pre-install the security card before delivering boxes to new subscribers. That's what Comcast, Chicago's dominant cable provider and Motorola's largest cable customer, plans to do.

[...]


Competition is good. It would be nice if extra odious security restrictions weren't attached, but one can't have everything.

Personally, I'd prefer that CableCard things were on the TV and not on a separate box. I've got a couple of Picture-in-Picture TVs that don't seem to be possible to make fully functional with our SA cable box. It's unclear, though, whether [link|http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-8900_7-5581176-1.html|CableCard is now usable]...

Cheers,
Scott.
New thats it
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New *cough* Speaking for one of the 22.5 million -
Ah.. it's all part of the

{{Onwardness --> the sense of movement wherethereisnone <->
---> towards a Bright Future of enhanced shopping experiences
----> in Unimagined *New* Ways }}

..and I note that this is nearing-50 years since the 'vast-wasteland' phrase, coined by Newton Minow in '61 or so. Something for the trend-line analysts?

Guess I'll be seeing lots of (a little) belated material, then (of the 1% -to be charitable- of the 500 channels con nada.) This works OK for me, delayed by ugly-VHS USPS-sent ... Comedy Central, Maher and a couple others. What's a week's delay anyway, when your government is on pre- Age of Reason time-zone?

It's sooo Murican - to be focussed exclusively on the $$$cute techno-possibilities of the medium. Since there's no way imaginable [for the unimaginitive] to "legislate" taste, quality or intelligence of content: let's just formally abandon the myth of the 'public airwaves' and skip the euphemisms.

Vulture Capitalism has reached its core Aim when all the presses are owned by a couple of of Czars, each as looney as Citizen Kane + Fox (now a multinational-empire.) When the newer media completes the homogenization, comes the final silencing of any sop called, In The Public Interest. All accomplished as quietly as a slow-fart in church. Why isn't that Scary? Yet.

We shall deserve this coronation of Econ Efficiency in all social matters, formal goverment by the sorts of Suits as you'unses work under or around -?- each Czar so psychically constituted as to keep the Adamses (Scott, Doug) provided with daily material; well-heeled for liff (er, and Doug's estate.)

Then too, situated where I am (~100 mi. N. of fav maverick PBS station, a near-unique one re PBS-franchises -- one which buys lots of non-std fare from sci-fi --> mystery) -- even were I to suck it up with the Base Fixed-puerile-pap package, on through Advanced-inane --> and into ^$Glorifying-mafiosi-Soaps^ territory:

Even so! I could not get KTEH in f&^$%&$* mondo-pixel resolution / with instant-replay of head-shots -- except, by some similar sneaker-net. The Sole-provider doesn't scan that far for meat; why bother - with no competition. Multi-element yagi and seecrut 0-noise amplifiers stolen from space-probe designs, with copped Mil-spec op-amps don't work in Off-air mode.

Still, \ufffdquien sabe? -- just conceivably and barely in that 'nick of time' --
the intarwebb Outraged Screams could detour this massive All-Air/All-Voices-Stilled land-grab, at 11:59:42. At least this is possible; I'll go with that. (I'd settle for Ed Murrow-as-zombie, at this stage of devolution. :)
Hmmm - "2/09" means: ya gets to see {barely} your Last 'public' Inauguration!
couple weeks then, to ponder if there's any point in plugging-in to Any sort of socket?


(Seems as much a crap shoot as that 'Constitution-thing'; that.. after a mere Six Years of infantile regression.) And 'infotainment decline' is already 45+ years old :-/





1080i of dog poo in Smell-o-Vision with 3D-Pron-o-scopy plug-in
..is stil
New It's a problem, but there's benefits of changing the TV band
Analog TV channels take a lot of valuable radio spectrum.

[link|http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/print/1911|IEEE Spectrum]:

The United States was the first country to broadcast digital TV, in 1998, and its mechanism was basically followed by other countries in their own systems. So the U.S. experience is illustrative.

In the late 1990s, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) loaned each TV broadcaster a second channel in the existing broadcast bands, 54 through 806 MHz. Interspersed among the broadcast channels are some spectrum gaps that minimize interference between them. To further minimize interference, the FCC skipped certain channels in a geographic region; for example, if channel 4 is assigned in one metropolitan area, the nearest channel 3 broadcaster is in a different metropolitan area. The skipped channels are known as taboo channels.

Each channel occupies 6 MHz, and that hasn't changed. Rather, because digital transmission is less interfering and also less subject to interference, and because digital channels operate at lower power levels than their analog counterparts, the FCC assigned second channels into analog taboo channels. The FCC deemed the modest increase in the overall level of interference acceptable during the transition.

At the time of the bandwidth loan, Congress set year-end 2006 as the date when analog service would officially cease and the extra channels would be "returned." At that point, the digital channels, with their low interference characteristics, could be repacked into less bandwidth\ufffda swath between 54 and 698 MHz. The move would free 108 MHz of spectrum\ufffdthe upper end of the UHF band, or TV channels 52 to 69\ufffdfor other uses. To put the potential value of that 108 MHz in perspective, note that the entire AM radio spectrum is less than 1.2 MHz. All local area networks using IEEE 802.11b and 802.11g, the most common forms of Wi-Fi, occupy just 83.5 MHz. Congress looked forward to a lucrative spectrum auction to help balance the federal budget.

The 2006 date, however, came with a caveat: on a market-by-market basis, at least 85 percent of households would have to own at least one television that could receive digital signals.

It has been clear for months that the 85 percent criterion will not be met next year, so the U.S. plan will be delayed [see sidebar, "Countdown to the End" But for how long? Now, many of the affected players\ufffdconsumer electronics and computer manufacturers, along with communications and other companies interested in using the recaptured spectrum\ufffddo not want a "soft date." Instead, they have been agitating for a hard one, with no further chance of delay.

Although Congress has yet to pass legislation to set such a date, both the House of Representatives and the Senate seemed in late summer 2005 to be converging on 1 January 2009.

[...]

"Beachfront Spectrum" is what analysts are calling that soon-to-be-auctioned upper 108 MHz, because it is ideal for cellular services. Signals at those frequencies propagate farther and penetrate buildings better than signals in today's cellular bands, which go up to 1.9 gigahertz. Best of all, cellphone system operators expect infrastructure costs to be reduced by 90 percent, because fewer cells will be required, given the longer distances signals will travel.

Thanks to such advantages, the cellular phone companies are likely to compete hard for this valuable bandwidth. Exactly what they would do with it is a closely guarded secret, at least until winning bidders are selected. Nevertheless, it's not hard to imagine the winners launching third-generation services, including mobile video and wide-band Internet access, which would enable cellphone users to receive video programming and e-mail on the run.

The FCC's huge menu of allowable uses for the new frequencies identifies "[f]lexible fixed, mobile, and broadcast uses, including mobile and other digital new broadcast operations; fixed and mobile wireless commercial services, as well as fixed and mobile wireless uses for private, internal radio needs. Could also include two-way interactive, cellular, and mobile television broadcasting services."

Perhaps the best early indicators of what will happen with the freed-up bandwidth are recent events in Berlin\ufffdthe first city to turn off analog television\ufffdand in the United States, where a couple of preemptive auctions gave developers access to segments of spectrum on the condition that they not interfere with broadcasters still using them.

The "Berlin Switch" is an intriguing novelty. It was possible because the region affected is relatively small, with 1.8 million households in the TV market, and because an overwhelming number of those households\ufffdall but 160 000\ufffdsubscribe to cable or satellite television. Nonsubscribers each coughed up at least $200 to buy a set-top converter, and for less than $1 million, the government subsidized the purchase for families on welfare.

What the switch gave Berliners, mainly, was an increase in the number of broadcast stations\ufffdfrom 12 to 27. Multiplexing allows four digital channels to fit in the space previously allotted to a single analog channel. (This excludes HD broadcasts, because they require more bandwidth.) The switch also gave the government 35 MHz to use\ufffdor sell\ufffdfor new services.

With more channels, viewers of broadcast television in Berlin have access to niche programming and channels previously available only to cable or satellite subscribers. Programming now includes Eurosport; Arte, with art movies, documentaries, poetry, and theater; Phoenix, with political news; Viva II, with pop culture for people in their 20s; and several new local channels.


[...]

Two auctions held so far accounted for just 24 MHz of the 108 MHz that will eventually be sold. Of the 84 MHz remaining, in 1997 the FCC reserved 24 MHz for public-safety communications, such as police and fire services\ufffdthose located at four of today's UHF TV channels, 63, 64, 68, and 69. Since the 9/11 attacks on the United States, Congress has been paying a lot of attention to the public-safety communications plan, originally with little fanfare. In fact, congressional eagerness to reallocate the swath of spectrum is the main impetus behind a drive to set a firm date for the transition to digital television. The Save Lives Act of 2005, introduced in the Senate in June, calls for expediting the reassignment of the spectrum for public-safety purposes and requires spectrum to be taken back from broadcasters by 1 January 2009.

Although Congress is driving the agenda to free portions of spectrum for public-safety use, local governments will decide how they will be used. Metropolitan-area governments, for example, would like to alleviate the congestion that plagues existing emergency services. They are concerned with voice and text transmission, already in use, and are looking to add wideband transmission of images. On-the-scene images can help emergency responders and their dispatchers. With broadband access to stored records, fire or police teams could review building plans and blueprints.

[...]


(Emphasis added.)

Moving to digital over-the-air TV is a good thing because analog TV wastes too much important radio spectrum. Doing it in a way that doesn't put poor and/or rural areas in the dark is a problem that should get more attention.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Thanks, as usual a pithy and complete summary.
That Berlin pic is one hell of an approximation to the broadcasting satellite (orbiting, natch) dreamed up for the Dr. Who "End of Terra" episode!! ('05 series)

It's hard to argue against the rationale for the emgcy service consolidation.
As to the simple replacement of analog signals with digitally-encoded [packets with crcs?], never mind HD -- some homework needed here, re the atmospheric propagation; I note too, that Ch 54 is amidst the freq.band slated for fershure implementation of cut-off.

I guess it's back to Maxwell, for trying to guesstimate the comparative fringe reception and noise figures for latest ICs - presuming that Ch 54 even continues on-air xmission - (in this area, one PBS sta, 43 is cable-only. A trend or an exception?)

And for all this bitchin competent technical plannning, I've heard no evidence of any serious attention being paid to Individual Selection of desired IQ-level, topics and interests - necessarily coincident with some nationwide Bill of Customer Rights. Technically, programming could be shunted via fibre Anywhere.. it's all about the Paying. And about whose lobbying prevails -- with NO strong entry on behalf of us 300M pigeons, in our local terrain. (Every Repo will pick corporate convenience over consumer, as will too-many Demo neutrality seekers.)

Clearly $$ advantage accrues to the simplicity of LCD (not that one - homogenization) and the still- tacit presumption that some local 'package'.. is the closest you'll ever get to an actual Choice. Fibre negates all such arguments about 'cost effectiveness', as I see it.

Imagine.. if just a quarter of congress critters had the foggiest idea about (the Possibilities amidst most of the techno they are legislating about - \ufffd l\ufffd a Dilbert CIEIO.) I must suppose that, the end is always re profits and the subtlest/darkest? political agendas. It would be typically Murican that many will see it to be in their Power-interest to keep about as much %mind-numbing-pap as, to date. It is, after all - all we've ever known, since well before the great amalgamations began.

We really could fix a lot of the 'wasteland' - if an organized few-% had the ear of a few key congress types, presented an agenda appealing to 'pol career-building': at least equivalent to all those Donations.



'Course too, with perpetual-war -- all of the above is a tiny noise among the truss ads. Thanks again for the \ufffd-levelGoogling virtuosity.


opTy
Expand Edited by Ashton June 10, 2007, 02:42:52 AM EDT
New Several terms exist.
Unfortunately. I wish the marketers would actually compare the technologies and get the names right. </rant>

*ahem*

In the land Down Under, boxes that tune into digital television for viewing on analogue TVs are called 'set-top boxes'. This, I believe, is the term our government used. Add a HDD it becomes a PVR - personal video recorder. PVR is also the term if it has an analogue tuner. They're very hard to find, but if you find a digital tuner box with a DVD burner instead, it's a DVD Recorder.

(DVD Recorders with analogue tuners are widespread, I might add, which shows the manufacturers don't believe the analogue turn off is going to happen. Retailers are getting tired of consumers asking why they don't have digital tuners... )

MythTV and it's MS variant are usually called PVRs, whether they have digital tuners or analogue tuners.

Wade.


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New I'm revisting this, but still may not jump yet.
The lower priced 32" sets are starting to look more appealing, and there are even 1080p 32" LCD sets now (Sharp). But there seems to be a lot going on in the electronics that don't show up in the common reviews.

E.g. I've looked briefly at the sets at the local Target. They have Olevia, Westinghouse, Philips, Sony and maybe a couple of other brands. It's not clear whether they're displaying HD content (they're Target ads), but there's a vast difference in the picture quality. I seem to be especially sensitive to digital artifacts. The thing I especially notice is the jagged edges between regions on the screen of different colors. The Olevia sets look horrible, especially with motion. The Sony sets look much, much better, but not as good as an analog set in this respect. Of course, the Sony sets cost $500 or so more...

An obvious problem with a purchase like this is that you don't know how the sets were tuned (if at all), and you don't know how they'll look with standard NTSC TV or non-HD cable, by looking in stores. Relying on revies on the web seems just as prone to error. It's sort-of a crap shoot.

Any recent pearls of wisdom?

Thanks.

Cheers,
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New LCD refresh rates
major weakness of LCD tech. Fast motion will give artifacts.

Best bet is still plasma. LCD prices are dropping faster but if you're going to go high def, plasma is still the better picture.

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New Plasma is The Suxxorz if you're a ham radio operator.
Great little RFI/EMI generators and they can't be "fixed".

I'll stick with LCD, thank you.
New 32" is the biggest that'll fit in our bedroom.
AFAIK, there aren't any 32" plasma sets.

The artifacts I'm talking about aren't just a refresh rate issue, but I'm sure that's also a consideration. The stuff I was seeing on the Olevia apparently was [link|http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=101|mosquito noise and jaggies], but it was more than that. There was almost a halo on each side of a pronounced color line. It was terrible.

There was talk of 120 Hz LCDs a year or more ago, but I haven't checked into them. Let's see... [link|http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/guide-to-120hz-hdtvs-which-sets-have-that-magic-number-233642.php|it looks like it'll be out of my price range for a while]. ;-)

While plasma has some advantages in dynamic range, I really wonder about the long-term reliability of the display technology, though they have gotten better. [link|http://www.greathometheater.com/LCD-vs-PLASMA.html|LCDs take less power though].

Thanks.

Cheers,
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New It's a crapshoot.
My Dad is interested in upgrading his 51cm 4:3 TV to a widescreen model. Digital tuner is optional; a set-top box will do him nicely. But he has a problem with the quality of the picture on all the LCD panels he has so far seen. I don't blame him: his mother bought a largish LCD TV for her bedroom and the picture is hugely over-processed. But it's hard to know if it's panel doing it because she had a digital cable box plugged into it.

For comparison, the pic on my MythTV box from the digital tuner is gorgeous. Artifacts only crop up when there are signal glitches. So it's looking like over-processing is rampant on LCD TVs. I told Dad he needs to start saying that to the salesmen. (Maybe I should get him to write to Choice magazine... if they pick up on it, there will be trouble in the marketplace...) So he's sort-of looking for a not-too-large widescreen CRT.

Wade.


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Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
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I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please



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New OT: what do you use for output on your Myth box?
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New Ummm...
(ducks head...) a 46cm TV with a composite-in video socket... from a GeForce 6200.

So I guess that probably doesn't really qualify as 'gorgeous', but it has to be said that the image out of MythTV is quite a bit better than the GNOME desktop behind it. Even at 800x600 on a PAL signal. And definitely better than our otherwise average analogue reception.

Oh and the composite encoder on the 6200 is really very good*. I happen to have an expensive VGA->PAL converter that I plugged in once out of curiosity and I was surprised to see the picture was actually no better.

Wade.


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Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
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Please



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New Thanks.
I'm using the Haupauge 350's out, which is great, but unfortunately MythTV is moving to OpenGL for its OSD, and the Haupauge doesn't support OpenGL. :-/
Regards,

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New That sucks...
Wonder if my two Dual 500s will will last much longer.

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New For best prices wait till January! :)
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New Im thinking projector for the next buy
was at fryes and saw several sub $1k that looked awesome.
thanx,
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is that I want a big, huge flat panel screen for the family room and a nice-sized one for the living room.

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         Not me. No plans to either. - (Silverlock)
         Been HD since 2001 - (SpiceWare)
         Resisted for a long while, but will likely in a few months - (Another Scott) - (1)
             Very similar to mine... - (pwhysall)
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         HD Here - (jbrabeck)
         Someone left a CRT set here . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         this is my second hdtv - (boxley)
         Underway. - (static) - (3)
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                 46 centimetres is about 17 inches. - (static) - (1)
                     got mili and cent mixed up -NT - (boxley)
         Nope. - (admin)
         I've had a 42" plasma Panasonic since the fall of '05. - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
             Antenna - (andread) - (4)
                 What kind of antenna did you get? -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (3)
                     One of these probably - (bepatient)
                     This One - (andread) - (1)
                         Thanks! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
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         Current TV is only a few years old - (tjsinclair) - (2)
             Re: Current TV is only a few years old - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                 Re: Current TV is only a few years old - (tjsinclair)
         Nope. - (inthane-chan)
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             They call them "set top converter boxes" here. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                 coming soon to a cable company near you is the - (boxley) - (2)
                     Like this? - (Another Scott) - (1)
                         thats it -NT - (boxley)
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                         Thanks, as usual a pithy and complete summary. - (Ashton)
             Several terms exist. - (static)
         I'm revisting this, but still may not jump yet. - (Another Scott) - (11)
             LCD refresh rates - (bepatient) - (7)
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                 32" is the biggest that'll fit in our bedroom. - (Another Scott)
                 It's a crapshoot. - (static) - (4)
                     OT: what do you use for output on your Myth box? -NT - (admin) - (3)
                         Ummm... - (static) - (2)
                             Thanks. - (admin) - (1)
                                 That sucks... - (folkert)
             For best prices wait till January! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                 There is that. :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
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         All I know... - (imqwerky)

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