Post #28,629
2/16/02 6:25:07 AM
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Hot-button topic for you, Christian?
Yes, okay, region-locking and region-coding are more than semantically different. Since in practice (with DVD), they function the same, most people don't make the distinctin. Regionally-coding for the purposes of censorship rules and other aspects of localisation stands as a good idea as I have stated. I will also stand by my comment that region-coding for correct copyright licensing is also worthwhile.
The point I perhaps may have failed to make that without region-locking the DVD format would not have been given the support from the movie houses that it did. They did, in fact, tell the developers of the DVD format(s) pretty much exactly this. The stated reason of staggered releases was a compromise the studios failed to completely honour, as I said. And we got region-locking.
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #28,792
2/18/02 5:35:16 AM
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What, semantics? And here I assumed you meant...
...the *$@!*\ufffd@!!\ufffd* cansorship! :-)
But you're wrong, of course: Since censorship itself is one of the most asinine ideas ever, *nothing* that supports it "stands as a good idea".
Where the fuck did you get *that* idiotic idea from?!?
Oh, and the fat-cat Hollywood moguls told the inventors of video tape all kinds of shit, too... And look how that came true. i.e, NOT!
Making any compromises for the "support" of those sharks is idiotic, too.
Christian R. Conrad
Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #28,857
2/18/02 6:48:41 PM
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About that censorship ploy..
My take is that it is dangled out as a sop to The Farmily Valuez crowd: those who Know what You ought to be able to see - without pissing-off Gawd and stuff.
(No! NOT that the purveyors imagine the 'censor chip' could / would actually achieve that goal of censoring Everyone's souces.. They just imply that, *wink*...*nudge* as a gleam in the eyes of the preyer-ful - for future use?)
This way the bitch-slap, cop-eviscerating lyrics can still goose the faithful peer-pressure drones for $16US a pop WHILE the RIAA et al can seem to be er, tryin to clean this all up for the Righteous folk?
Of course too, all the above is irrelevant - so long as the pandered stuff is as vacuous and boring as 500 empty channels of Tee Vee: far as I know, no one has found any answer to the net decline of quality of content. I don't think any chip can correct that one.
Ashton
who may have missed a few other ploys hidden within the claptrap that passes for "justifying censor chips"
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Post #29,535
2/24/02 12:50:42 AM
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This is bizarre...
It seems to be twice in the one thread you've mistaken my intent. *shakes head*
I didn't put forward one way or the other that censorship is a good idea. but it exists and it's existence must, unfortunately, be accomodated. Region coding is a way to do that; IMHO, quite a good way. Region locking is also a way of accomodating it's existence, albeit in a rather more draconian way.
Video tape had the advantage of being recordable from the get-go. DVD, originating as a pre-recorded medium, needed the backing of the owners of desirable content. IIRC, pre-recorded VHS tapes were a bit of a novelty for many years - I know video rental stores have been around for ages, but large sections of videos for sale in department stores is much newer. I believe that if the DVD Consortium didn't get support from the movie houses, it would have all the market share of Laserdisc - i.e. not much.
And just to make it totally clear: Once again, I also dislike region locking. I myself have a region-free DVD player and have several DVDs from outside Region 4.
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #29,644
2/25/02 1:06:52 PM
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Yes, it's bizarre how you can persist in being so wrong:
Wade staticates: It seems to be twice in the one thread you've mistaken my intent. *shakes head* I hoped so, too... But, alas, it was not to be -- you really *are* saying what I thought you were. I didn't put forward one way or the other that censorship is a good idea. but it exists and it's existence must, unfortunately, be accomodated. No. That's like saying, "Evil exists, and therefore must be pandered to". Would you sign off on *that*?!? Funny, I'd have thought you'd say Evil has to be *fought*, not have its comfort ensured as best you can. (Or is it that you don't quite know what a-commod-ated means, really? If so, look it up!) No, censorship exists -- but it must NOT be acommodated. "No compromise with the Shadow; not on MY watch!" Christian R. Conrad
Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #29,729
2/26/02 6:18:34 AM
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That's "statictate".
And it wasn't really a statictation; it wasn't long enough.
We clearly have different views on how and why censorship should or should not work. So be it.
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #29,733
2/26/02 7:07:22 AM
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Yup, saw that. I spelled "cansorship" further up-thread, too
Hey, I can only plead (early) senility. Or maybe I was drunk -- Yeah, that's it! I was too drunk to spell correctly! That's my story, and I'm sticking to it... Almost with the vehemence of a Post-It[TM] note.
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Post #29,850
2/26/02 3:02:17 PM
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OTOH a statictite
is a growth that can't quite make up its mind whether to grow from the floor or hang from the ceiling.. sorta a stoned stone?
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Post #29,943
2/27/02 5:37:02 AM
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Hmm. I wonder if a little history is called for...
Back a few years ago when I began having LAN parties/Net days with friends, we naturally came up with some aliases for things like Quake. That's where "static" for my alias came from, BTW. An interesting typo in an email with our aliases led to inventing terms based on our alises for typical things we would do. We came up with quite a few between us, but most never got used. One that did stick around was "statictate".
Essentiually it means getting a long, generally correct answer in reply to a simple question that was probably not what the asker expected or desired. Amongst our little group, I tended to do a lot more than everyone else. Here on IWETHEY, other people statictate more than I do. :-)
We never came up with "statictite". :-)
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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