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New I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.
You are right. Most of (All) the "Milestones" Microsoft has made with Vista for security have been in UNIX, since... forever or at least since the "everything is a file" idea came about.

It is really a shame. I just hope they fix it.
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New *nod*
Example.

DACLs. Windows-only folk make a big deal out of these, saying that the UID/GID-based security of UNIX filesystems is inadequate, and that you need NTFS (which, for all that it's attached to a steaming pile of shit operating system, is actually a pretty good filesystem).

Tell me again when the proprietary UNIXes grew these? Was it 1992ish? When did VMS have these? 1982-ish?

Windows: failing to understand that writing a badly-designed wizard is not the same as innovation since 1995.


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     Vista -- so far - (andread) - (87)
         Damning w/ faint praise - (jb4) - (86)
             Hey, I've dealt with Vista . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (85)
                 Just had my first experience with it... - (jb4) - (84)
                     I'm quite convinced they released this turkey . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                     That might be NVidia's fault. - (inthane-chan) - (82)
                         Re: That might be NVidia's fault. - (jb4) - (81)
                             fear change - (altmann) - (80)
                                 Micros~1 redefines English...Film at 11! - (jb4) - (3)
                                     Re: Micros~1 redefines English...Film at 11! - (altmann)
                                     In the version of English I speak... - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                         **chuckle** -NT - (jb4)
                                 Remind me again... You're not an MS fanboy or shill, just... - (CRConrad) - (75)
                                     No trailing slash in HR tag, Chris. -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                         Yes there is, but I think there should be a space before it -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                                             Re: Yes there is, but I think there should be a space bef - (pwhysall)
                                     Hey, don't be picking on Hubert J. Farnsworth now! - (Another Scott)
                                     Seemed like a reasonable reply to me. - (hnick) - (8)
                                         You mean alt-tab; ctrl-tab is for docs within an MDI app. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                             Ok. I don't have a windows machine at hand... - (hnick)
                                         On the surface of it, yes. - (CRConrad) - (5)
                                             Cool... - (hnick) - (4)
                                                 +10. Inciteful. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                     Of course you did... :) -NT - (hnick)
                                                 Speak for yourself... - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                     Ummm. Yeah. -NT - (folkert)
                                     It's not easy being.... - (andread) - (61)
                                         "Works reasonably well" - (pwhysall) - (58)
                                             every microsoft advance has never exceeded reasonably well - (boxley)
                                             An interesting rating - (crazy)
                                             Not up to your usual standard... - (andread) - (54)
                                                 Re: Not up to your usual standard... - (pwhysall) - (48)
                                                     Wrong - (andread) - (47)
                                                         What are you gibbering about, you cretin? Re-read his posts! -NT - (CRConrad) - (44)
                                                             Oh, Chuckles - (andread) - (43)
                                                                 OK, so you're just not capable of reading with comprehension -NT - (CRConrad) - (42)
                                                                     Hah - (andread) - (41)
                                                                         So how is that any the less annoying? - (pwhysall) - (40)
                                                                             Wrong in caps is still wrong - (andread) - (39)
                                                                                 Which part is wrong? - (pwhysall)
                                                                                 Ok. Lets review - (bepatient) - (37)
                                                                                     "Attack Surface"?!?! Sheesh. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                                         At least I didn't write it :-) - (bepatient)
                                                                                         (Isn't that pretty large - on a sponge? ;-) -NT - (Ashton)
                                                                                     I LOVE the scenario where they say disabling is reasonable - (crazy) - (1)
                                                                                         That typifies the problem with UAC: - (static)
                                                                                     Well now. - (folkert) - (4)
                                                                                         Huh? - (crazy) - (3)
                                                                                             that was my understanding - (boxley)
                                                                                             I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. - (folkert) - (1)
                                                                                                 *nod* - (pwhysall)
                                                                                     Thanks Bill - (andread) - (25)
                                                                                         Re: Thanks Bill - (pwhysall) - (24)
                                                                                             I'm thinking... - (bepatient) - (23)
                                                                                                 It's the other way around; the poor nitwit is incapable... - (CRConrad) - (22)
                                                                                                     You're wrong again - (andread) - (16)
                                                                                                         Point = Missed. Intentionally or otherwise. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                         Thank you so much for AGAIN explaining the *purpose* of UAC. - (CRConrad)
                                                                                                         Question - (drewk) - (12)
                                                                                                             Re: Question - (andread) - (11)
                                                                                                                 ahh, cascading shills - (crazy) - (10)
                                                                                                                     The speaker was Michael J Murphy - (andread) - (9)
                                                                                                                         And I'd want to do that because? - (crazy) - (8)
                                                                                                                             Not a shill - (andread) - (7)
                                                                                                                                 Serious question: Are you brain damaged? - (crazy) - (6)
                                                                                                                                     Re: Serious question: Are you brain damaged? - (andread) - (5)
                                                                                                                                         Ah, the wonders of Wikipedia - (crazy) - (4)
                                                                                                                                             I had always understood the term by his definition. - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                                                                 Indeed; if they self-identify properly, they're salespeople. -NT - (jake123)
                                                                                                                                                 I disagree (new thread) - (crazy)
                                                                                                                                                 I'm ambivalent. However, in Mega$loth's case ... - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                         The problem here is you are defining a very limited user set - (bepatient)
                                                                                                     "he's known" - HTH </CRC> -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                                                                         Aaargh! Fixed, thanx. (I can has cheezburger now?) -NT - (CRConrad)
                                                                                                     Can't or pretends is the same in this case - (crazy) - (2)
                                                                                                         Oy you - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                             Oy back - (crazy)
                                                                                     Another way to disable UAC - TweakUAC. - (Another Scott)
                                                         the mac commercial explains it very well :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                                         I've got a Mac running OS X - (pwhysall)
                                                 Consider. - (static) - (4)
                                                     Vista popularity. - (Silverlock) - (3)
                                                         There have been lines. - (folkert) - (2)
                                                             So, knowing that many are paying $250 . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                                 There is. - (folkert)
                                             And that's only the surface... - (scoenye)
                                         Ah. Jealous, because you can't figure... - (CRConrad)
                                         best explaination of the UAC so far - (boxley)

And if I'm just going for effect, I might as well wear a tie. And pants.
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