In a very limited way I agree

Post #284,912 by JayMehaffey 5/18/07 10:41:28 PM Reply	In a very limited way I agree Even in the case of the RIAA and their overpriced CDs, yes they're exploiters but they have a legal rights to the copyrights they've negotiated for. I support their right to go after infringers. Don't like it, don't buy. Figure out a way to pay artists directly so they don't have to go through the exploiters. Er, for the lawsuits against actual infringers I have no problem. There blanket suits, extortion suits and horrible court practices I have a problem with. And all the effort the RIAA and other industry groups put into preventing any other channels for music is morally wrong, and probably illegal if anti-monopoly and RICO statues where enforced fairly. Jay
Post #284,919 by pwhysall 5/19/07 4:55:54 AM Reply	What other channels are prevented? If they're "prevented", then the RIAA is doing a piss-poor job of stopping me getting legal, unencumbered music from a number of sources... Mind you, if you like mainstream music (I don't), you're probably screwed. A good reason to see if you can escape your musical comfort zone, I wot. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #284,922 by ubernostrum 5/19/07 7:52:54 AM Reply	Well, there are the folks who announced C&Ds... ...to Apple and several other companies, claiming that [link\|http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070511-company-targets-apple-microsoft-and-others-for-not-using-enough-drm.html\|offering media-player software which can play unencumbered tracks is trafficking in circumvention]. \r\n\r\n And let's not forget that Internet radio royalties in the US are required to be paid to an RIAA-backed royalty-gathering group, regardless of who holds the rights to the music broadcast, and that collecting said royalties from said group requires the actual rightsholder to pay membership fees. Some days it seems like there's no way around these guys... --\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
Post #284,923 by pwhysall 5/19/07 8:33:22 AM Reply	The C&D thing is new to me... ...but the other stuff isn't. Fact remains that I buy unencumbered music from independents who on the surface appear to not fuck their artists quite as hard as the majors, and that I seem capable of continuing so to do. However, I don't consider AllOfMP3.com to be legal or pleasant. I'm in the "it's borderline legal even for Russia, so it's definitely illegal here" camp. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #284,937 by CRConrad 5/19/07 2:36:52 PM Reply	Your second paragraph proves his point, contradicting the... ...rest of your argument: So, apparently, other channels are prevented, for people who do happen to like mainstream music; which I suppose is, by definition, most people -- otherwise it wouldn't be "mainstream", now would it? (Whether you personally do or don't like that, seems altogether like rather a big fat red herring to me, rendered all the more irrelevantly-anecdotal by the very term you employ three words earlier.) Otherwise Microsoft didn't use to have a monopoly on PC OSes either -- it was all just a "good reason to see if they could escape their computational comfort zone", with your "logic". [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #284,938 by pwhysall 5/19/07 3:36:02 PM Reply	I'm in the future, baby. Buying unencumbered music like I do is what the industry is slowly, painfully moving towards. EMI have taken their baby steps on iTunes. The rest will surely, reluctantly, awkwardly follow. I don't buy the MS analogy. MS obtained and abused their monopoly position by actively excluding competitors from the marketplace. The major labels are completely powerless to stop eMusic from selling me indie music without DRM. MS could indeed stop PC manufacturers selling me OS/2. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #284,940 by CRConrad 5/19/07 5:45:46 PM Reply	So why can't ya get any "MAINSTREAM" "indie" music as it is?
Post #284,947 by pwhysall 5/19/07 7:44:26 PM Reply	Eh? What are you on about? Can't get music? Did you not read the grandparent post? Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #284,953 by CRConrad 5/20/07 2:06:23 AM Reply	Re: "Did you not read the grandparent post?" Double-Eh?!? What am I on about...? Yeah, "Can't get music", as you yourself said -- or did you not write the great-great(-whatever)-grandparent post: "Mind you, if you like mainstream music (I don't), you're probably screwed."? THAT is what I am on about, Mr Attention Span. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #284,954 by pwhysall 5/20/07 2:12:51 AM Reply	Probably isn't "definitely". I said that because I haven't wandered around ITMS looking for examples of mainstream music that's sold DRM-free (as is the case with EMI artists) because I'm not interested in those artists. That's all. No need to get all logical-competitive about it. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #285,361 by jake123 5/25/07 11:52:39 AM Reply	Don't forget you live in Europe RIAA is an US thing, not a global thing.

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