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New I was so proud of myself for staying out of this
I made a pact with myself not to get tangled up in these postings because it's pointless and counterproductive. And I wasnt around when the Norm shit storm hit, so it is really none of my business.

You people befuddle me.

First, Norm, I cant understand why you are so drawn to this group, when every time you make an appearance you are blasted to smithereens. Why do you keep putting up with this shit? What kind of reinforcement are you getting that keeps bringing you back? The average person, after being treated this way, would get tired of the abuse and go find someone else to play with. Why is this group of people so important to you? You know what kind of reaction you're going to get from this group and you keep coming back for more. It's irrational and self destructive. I'm not your therapist. I dont know your diagnosis, I dont know your meds or history. I dont care. I dont care about your past. I dont care if your psychotic or suicidal. But when I see someone acting the way you do, continually creating problems for yourself, well, it makes me want to slap you. I can understand everyone's frustration with you because you invite this kind of response.

Now everyone else- You're acting just as irrational. If you want something to go away, and you KNOW that taunts and abuse only serve to reinforce the behavior (not diminish it) why, oh why do you continue doing more of the same? isn't that Einstein's definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? You guys are just as caught up in this crap as Norm is.
The same twisty, sick cycle, over and over again.
New And you were doing SO well !
Until now.

My point was simple, if you go back to the reference that started this..it was a post that did not contain one single >I<. That is a reference behavior to be positively reinforced. (should one care to interact at all)

As to the rest...your guess is as good as mine. I don't play in those sandboxes.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New Hey, we know what works
because we've done it before. The trick is not minding, and therefore never answering him. It's called the silent treatment, and it worked a treat last time. I indulged once, but I've kept out of it since then... except to make this very same point.

Folks, if we don't want him here (and I pretty much don't; the shit he pulled on Owl alone is reason enough, let alone his online behaviour), we gotta stop responding to him.

Lily, having known Norm in an online way for quite a few years now, I'd call it borderline personality disorder... but I'm not a doctor. OTOH, I've read about sociopathy a fair bit and the shoe fits... it's just fortunate that he's not way way off the scope and not hugely competent along with it, and therefore ends up being less than functional instead of a monster. That didn't stop him from being able to really screw with Owl for quite a few months, though.

Seriously, guys, it's shit or get off the pot; if we don't want him here, ALL OF US need to stop responding to him.
New At least I learned how to stop that ;)
...That didn't stop him from being able to really screw with Owl for quite a few months, though.


I am happy to state that I've been Norm-free for quite some time now, both online and off.

I have to agree with everyone else... don't encourage him, don't reply, and you get your power back. Every response just makes him stronger.

Brenda



"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- By Geoffrey F. Abert
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind, don't matter - and those who matter, don't mind." -- By Dr. Seuss
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"Sometimes it takes a whole lot more strength to walk away than to stand there and fight." -- By the character of John Abbott: said on Young & Restless on 5/19/06
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Expand Edited by Nightowl April 19, 2007, 02:13:48 AM EDT
     Every topic you comment upon... - (rcareaga) - (16)
         Agreed -NT - (crazy) - (1)
             Doubly so. - (folkert)
         Wow, we have lost our civility. - (bepatient) - (13)
             I was so proud of myself for staying out of this - (Lily) - (3)
                 And you were doing SO well ! - (bepatient)
                 Hey, we know what works - (jake123) - (1)
                     At least I learned how to stop that ;) - (Nightowl)
             Some people don't deserve any. - (CRConrad) - (2)
                 I liken it to parenting...or training your dog ;-) - (bepatient) - (1)
                     Right! Cattle prods and m&ms -NT - (tuberculosis)
             Re: Wow, we have lost our civility. - (rcareaga) - (5)
                 Won't argue this. Don't disagree. - (bepatient)
                 Then stop poking the fate bear. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                     You said it beautifully, Thane - (Nightowl)
                 So JerryP's whack; but I never thought it would get THAT bad -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                     I should have said "occasional" contributor - (rcareaga)

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