There is a HUGE difference. (plus an Ubuntu complaint)

Post #280,107 by folkert 3/30/07 1:46:57 PM Reply	There is a HUGE difference. (plus an Ubuntu complaint) `apt-get upgrade` only does "simple" upgrade, not requiring removal or addition of software packages. This WILL NOT take you from "Edgy to Feisty". This should not "break" things. `apt-get dist-upgrade` does removal and addition of software to transition to a new distribution. This WILL take you from "Edgy to Feisty". This could "break" things. Now, understand, Ubuntu releases based on time, buggy or not. This is my problem with Ubuntu. I understand Debian releases with bugs as well. There is a difference in release quality as well. Ubuntu does the "deadline thing". It makes, sometimes, foolish choices about a RC bugs. It hurts when upgrades happen. It hurts when a few squeaky minority complain loudly and make life hell on the forums and MLs. They don't follow the prescribed methods... they have 3rd party UBUNTU VERSION SPECIFIC applications that break upon upgrade from dist to dist. Backports hurt many times, response is dismal, it hurts things. They want the problems with 3rd party stuff fixed on the release date. Debian, has many of the same problems, 3rd party apps are a bane as well. But since Debian has a HUGE repository and many of the apps that are "3rd party" in Ubuntu, in Debian are buildd-built in the Debian archive, relieving much of the pressure. If you understand WHY this is a huge difference, then you understand why I use Debian. Yes, I have Ubuntu on the machine in the living room, mainly I don't use it. They wife and daughter don't "have the time or patience" to deal with things that need massaging. Currently media playing on that machine is broken due to a security update. Mplayer is bustified, totem-gstreamer is also bustified. All due to codecs issues. But since 7.04 is so close, it hasn't been fixed for a while. Yes, I've done the work arounds... but being that I use an EMU10K1 sound card in that machine... it's bustified. My Debian machine isn't bustified. I did have an issue with the stuff being broken for about 3 days. Not anymore. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #280,110 by Another Scott 3/30/07 1:55:31 PM Reply	ICLRPD. (new thread) Created as new thread #280109 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=280109\|ICLRPD.]
Post #280,111 by hnick 3/30/07 2:02:13 PM Reply	Got it. I did that for Dapper -> Edgy and it crunched my grub. Now the grub screen looks like my video card is shot and is barely readable and it immediately boots into linux. Since I haven't had any need or desire to get to the Windows partition in the last few months, it hasn't been a big deal, but I'm worried about wrecking it further. Thanks Greg, Hugh
Post #280,124 by folkert 3/30/07 3:44:43 PM Reply	edit... /boot/grub/menu.lst Take a look at lines # kopt=root=/dev/hde2 ro vga=blah or # defoptions=vga=blah remove the vga=blah in one (should be in defoptions) but if in both remove both. then run "update-grub" That should get you back to a readable screen. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #280,265 by hnick 4/1/07 4:11:27 PM Reply	Hmmm... No vga in either of them. They did reference a UUID which was one of the changes going into edgy. I'm thinking that I might steer it back /dev/hdb1 and see if that helps. I think I can use a Knoppix disk to copy the original back if it really savages me. Since this is elective surgery, I'm not going to try until I have to restart the bugger again. Thanks again, Greg, for the help, Hugh

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