Post #280,087
3/30/07 10:52:14 AM
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Question?
Don't you have to do an apt-get dist-upgrade? Or is just update and upgrade sufficient and/or safer?
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Post #280,107
3/30/07 1:46:57 PM
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There is a HUGE difference. (plus an Ubuntu complaint)
apt-get upgrade only does "simple" upgrade, not requiring removal or addition of software packages. This *WILL NOT* take you from "Edgy to Feisty". This should not "break" things.
apt-get dist-upgrade does removal and addition of software to transition to a new distribution. This *WILL* take you from "Edgy to Feisty". This could "break" things.
Now, understand, Ubuntu releases based on time, buggy or not. This is my problem with Ubuntu. I understand Debian releases with bugs as well. There is a difference in release quality as well.
Ubuntu does the "deadline thing". It makes, sometimes, foolish choices about a RC bugs. It hurts when upgrades happen. It hurts when a few squeaky minority complain loudly and make life hell on the forums and MLs. They don't follow the prescribed methods... they have 3rd party *UBUNTU VERSION SPECIFIC* applications that break upon upgrade from dist to dist. Backports hurt many times, response is dismal, it hurts things. They want the problems with 3rd party stuff fixed on the release date.
Debian, has many of the same problems, 3rd party apps are a bane as well. But since Debian has a HUGE repository and many of the apps that are "3rd party" in Ubuntu, in Debian are buildd-built in the Debian archive, relieving much of the pressure. If you understand *WHY* this is a huge difference, then you understand why I use Debian.
Yes, I have Ubuntu on the machine in the living room, mainly I don't use it. They wife and daughter don't "have the time or patience" to deal with things that need massaging. Currently media playing on that machine is broken due to a security update. Mplayer is bustified, totem-gstreamer is also bustified. All due to codecs issues. But since 7.04 is so close, it hasn't been fixed for a while. Yes, I've done the work arounds... but being that I use an EMU10K1 sound card in that machine... it's bustified.
My Debian machine isn't bustified. I did have an issue with the stuff being broken for about 3 days. Not anymore.
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Post #280,110
3/30/07 1:55:31 PM
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ICLRPD. (new thread)
Created as new thread #280109 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=280109|ICLRPD.]
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Post #280,111
3/30/07 2:02:13 PM
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Got it.
I did that for Dapper -> Edgy and it crunched my grub. Now the grub screen looks like my video card is shot and is barely readable and it immediately boots into linux. Since I haven't had any need or desire to get to the Windows partition in the last few months, it hasn't been a big deal, but I'm worried about wrecking it further.
Thanks Greg,
Hugh
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Post #280,124
3/30/07 3:44:43 PM
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edit...
/boot/grub/menu.lst
Take a look at lines
# kopt=root=/dev/hde2 ro vga=blah
or
# defoptions=vga=blah
remove the vga=blah in one (should be in defoptions) but if in both remove both.
then run "update-grub"
That should get you back to a readable screen.
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Post #280,265
4/1/07 4:11:27 PM
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Hmmm... No vga in either of them.
They did reference a UUID which was one of the changes going into edgy. I'm thinking that I might steer it back /dev/hdb1 and see if that helps. I think I can use a Knoppix disk to copy the original back if it really savages me. Since this is elective surgery, I'm not going to try until I have to restart the bugger again.
Thanks again, Greg, for the help,
Hugh
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Post #280,225
4/1/07 8:27:30 AM
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Greg has a good response.
I can just add one or two things: Whilst I haven't done an Edgy->Feisty nor even a Dapper->Edgy, I did do Breezy->Dapper and before that a Hoary->Breezy (on a different box). I found it useful to do an apt-get upgrade, then an apt-get dist-upgrade and then an apt-get upgrade. Just be warned that after the first upgrade you will have an apparantly broken system, but the dist-upgrade will fix that. And anything it subqesuently breaks, the second upgrade will fix. It seems there is something a little funky with sorting out all the dependancies in such a big upgrade and things can get missed.
Wade.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Post #280,235
4/1/07 9:33:54 AM
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My choice in packages must be really fortuitous
Cuz I didn't need to do that. PHEW!
Been playing with Beryl on Feisty - I'm impressed with the speed - got all the toys installed, and it runs fine. No visible performance decrease, and I'm on an AMD 1800 with 768 ram, and an NVidia 5600 w/256m.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #280,294
4/1/07 9:28:34 PM
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I should have said 'may' rather than 'will'.
As in, 'after the first upgrade you *may* have an apparantly broken system' instead of 'after the first upgrade you *will* have an apparantly broken system'.
:-)
Wade.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Post #280,238
4/1/07 11:04:33 AM
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Re: Greg has a good response.
This box has gone Hoary>Breezy>Dapper>Edgy with nary a complaint - and I'm betting it'll go Feisty with the same smoothy goodness.
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Steve
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Post #280,242
4/1/07 12:10:10 PM
4/1/07 12:19:35 PM
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Yeah, but you aren't bat-shiite crazy with packages!
There are many that just "search and do" the first thing that comes up... later to find out that the reason it came up was because of complaints about the "package or process".
I've now fixed about 20 Ubuntu "screw-ups" from former RedHatters/Fedorians that R&R all the time, but bitch and moan when problems occur on transitional problems without re-install.
I show them the ways to fix the issues and all of a sudden lights go off above their heads, very visibly. Most are getting the ideas about being smarter in packaging selections and using the better ways of getting what they want. Rather than doing an alien conversion of RedHat v9 packages and forcing them on to Ubuntu 6.10, because that is all they could find, dude. Never once thinking to look at universe or multiverse or even debian or debian-multimedia types of thing.
edit:
One other thing, a machine I have here is upgraded from Potato to Woody to Sarge, soon to be Etch. I see no reason to "re-install" it. Though the 8.4GB boot drive is starting to hum really bad. I might transfer it to a new (as in vacuum packing from RMA-ville) 40GB drive.
I also have (the machine I am typing on) a continuous Sid rolling update, so basically I get to do 400+ packages a week during non-freeze times. Of course, during the freeze about 15-50 packages a day are from experimental... I also am tracking the "experimental" kernel builds.
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Edited by folkert
April 1, 2007, 12:19:35 PM EDT
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