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New Switchers roll-call
Cast your mind back 12 months. Were you running the same operating system on your desktop as you are now?

I was. But I also had a PC running Windows XP for gaming.

That's gone. (Well, it's piled up in a corner of my office, awaiting the Bay of e)

At work I use whatever I'm paid to use. I don't care; the licencing and maintenance is someone else's problem. But at home, I've got the choice. And I've chosen to all-but expunge Windows from the house. There is a vestigial trace remaining - I keep a Parallels XP VM around for those occasions when the various family members who bought Windows laptops against my advice manage to break them, and I want to walk through various things with them. My iMac runs just OS X. Jo's laptop is OS X. My server is Linux. I don't have an XBox.

If I were a home Windows user I'd be finding things intolerable right now. Pressure to move to Vista, the pile of toss that is IE7, the endless WGA validation, maintaining antivirus and antispyware and XP firewalls and such. This is before you actually get to DO anything.

So. Have you switched? Are you going to? Where will you go? What chains you to Windows? What's driving you away? Do you actually enjoy using the thing?


Peter
[link|http://www.no2id.net/|Don't Let The Terrorists Win]
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New I have not changed
I still have XP, 2k, 98 and my primary machine still runs Ubuntu.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New I will add, though, that Vista will never be in my portfolio
I >will< go through the effort of grooming my family on Linux OR buying Apple to avoid it.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
New actually backslid
have a win98 box kindly donated by a fellow iwetheyer. Isnt broke, so will stay on winders till its first infection.
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep

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New Not really
I've got the same setup I've been pretty much running for the past few years. One computer with Linux and one with Windows.

I did buy a new computer a few months back, and it came with XP, so I'm running XP rather then ME. But I only have it for playing games. If it where not for that I would run Linux only.

I discovered last time I was out of work that Open Office now opens and saves Word files well enough I didn't even need Windows for that. And for the last couple of years, Word was really the one thing I had to go to Windows for. So many companies default to Word and neither accept nor produce anything else that when I was looking for work in the past I had to have Word.

Jay
New No change - still running OS/2
I do have one Windows 2000 machine I use for customer support and to take pictures off the camera. Yea, I could do that with OS/2 but the Windows box is out where I take the pictures.

I also occasionally plug in a scanner. I'd carefully studied scanners to get one that was definitely compatible with OS/2 - ordered a Microtek Scanmaker E3, but what arrived was the "upgraded" E3+ - completely incompatible with any avalable Twain driver. Since they apparently only made 12 or 13 of the + model no drivers were likely either.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Still running OS/2 as well........ since 1994, in fact.
New You might not need it just for support
Take a look at [link|https://www.copilot.com/|Copilot]. Five bucks an incident is probably cheaper than the hassle of keeping around and setting up the old Windows box. Which is just going to get out of date anyway.

No, I don't know how well the service would work across the pond.
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.

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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New Looks nifty...
...but it's VNC with bells on. (The "Initial Screen Loading" bit is the give-away)

Basically, what they've done is create a simple way for people to initiate VNC sessions.

Still cool, though.


Peter
[link|http://www.no2id.net/|Don't Let The Terrorists Win]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home]
Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
[link|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall|A better terminal emulator]
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New Mostly, yes
The other thing they do is provide the man in the middle for both parties to call in to. This eliminates the need to poke holes in firewalls (for corporate support) or mess with port forwarding (for grandma's DSL modem/router) since both sides initiate their respective connections.
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.

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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New Still a combo of warp and windows
Windows for Counterstrike.

Been strongly considering linux for this laptop, but haven't gone for it yet.

Next machine will probably be a mac. With Vista and the new drm junk, PCs are going down the tubes. Only possible plus is that older PC hardware will prolly get to junk prices pretty quick.
New (Dis)agree
If Windows finally starts to crater noticeably, I predict Apple will provide a version of OSX+n that will run on the hardware that Vista won't run on. This will keep that older hardware in use.

True, Apple makes money selling hardware, so it would seem they don't have any incentive to support these old junkers. But they want prefer selling high-end, high-margin kit. Getting cheap bastards -- and younger users -- used to using a Mac will prime the upgrade pipeline.

Besides that, it's not like PC hardware doesn't hit junk prices within a year-and-a-half already.
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.

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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New Unfortunately, Mac/Windows lacks engineering design tools
I'm running XP at work and W2K at home, slowly adding Linux at home. I should have a new low cost Linux box in a few weeks.

For embedded, electrical, and mechanical design, the Linux options are limited. There are some good programs available, e.g. gcc, Eclipse.

But:
- 3-D MCAD? If you've got a lot of money, there's PTC Pro/E, and (for Unix, maybe Linux later) CATIA and UGS NX. But there's nothing close to Alibre on Linux, or SolidWorks, Solid Edge, IronCAD, etc.
- Vendor embedded dev tools, such as TI Code Composer Studio? Windows only.
- Factory automation software, e.g. Denso WinCaps, Panasonic FPWinPro, A-B, and more - all Windows only.
- PCB design software: low end, there's Eagle (Win and Linux), seems to be best program in its price range. Probably good stuff for Unix, maybe Linux at high end, but the good programs in the middle (e.g. Pulsonix) only run on Windows.

I have been using VMWare Server, and have found it very useful. One possibility is to run Linux on my main computer (with a Quadro card) and run Windows as a VM. However, I'm pretty sure the performance would be lacking for CAD, compared to running W2K or XP with Nvidia's Windows OpenGL drivers.

I think it'll take some serious desktop market share (5%? 10%?) by one strain (e.g. Debian-based) of Linux before it gets more engineering design tools. I don't think the Mac will ever get many engineering design tools.

--Tony
New No change.
W2K at home, W2K and WXP with a new Vista box coming soon at work. My next home system will be a Mac. I dread supporting Vista at work and want nothing to do with it at home. I'm looking at prices on used laptops and see some great deals so I might put together a Linux laptop also.
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New Slight change
Have MacBook Pro laptop and Ubuntu Desktop. The Ubuntu machine used to be dual boot, but have nuked the windows partition. The Mac has Parallels on it with XP for the occasional times that I need Windows: QuickBooks online is IE6+ only and that what my company uses for finance.

Elsewhere in my family:
Son has 12" G4 iBook
Wife has 14" G4 iBook
Sister has 20" G5 iMac
Her hubby has 12" G4 PowerBook and a cheap HP laptop running XP that he takes on deployments so as to preserve his Mac(he's in the Nat'l Guard)
Brother has 15" G4 PowerBook and 17" G5 iMac
Mom just bought a new MacBook and retired her emachines XP desktop, which my brother plans to install linux of some sort when he gets a round tuit.
--
Steve
[link|http://www.ubuntulinux.org|Ubuntu]
New Ditto
I also have a MBP and Ubuntu desktop. I find myself spending much more time on the MBP nowadays, though.

The kitchen computer is a G4 Mini, and the living room computer (used for one or two programs only) is XP.

We'll be getting an iMac for my son very soon now.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Possibly a change coming soon
We're looking at minivans for this spring. If we find one with the DVD system included without costing us an extra $600+, we'll get the DVD. If not, then I'm going to find a tablet/laptop with a DVD player.

I took a widescreen laptop on a trip a while back and it was a much nicer screen than the ones in the built-in systems, but every time we hit a bump I saw the screen bounce. Thank goodness it was company-owned. The tablets you can strap in nice and tight with the screen layed down flat over the keys.

I keep seeing them on eBay for $400 - $500. Cheaper than the built-in systems, and I get to surf from the couch as a bonus. I don't really care what OS it has on it. I only need it to play DVDs, run Firefox, and use Putty/SSH.
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.

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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New A bit
Home: Mepis -> Kubuntu primary machine.
Win boxes for wife and kids abound.

At work, my recently crashed and reformatted Win laptop is sitting unused.
All my desktop Win stuff is handled from VMWare WinXP session, and I'll probably have a Mac laptop in a couple of weeks.
New I don't think I had a work laptop 12 months ago.
It's running Ubuntu Dapper Drake 06.06 and is my main machine work *and* home. Up until then, my main home machine was either w2k PC or the WinME/Debian linux laptop which is also still around.

The W2k PC got a re-install recently, but it's still limping. It's still Windows for the few games I play (mostly Unreal Tournament), the film scanning and for SonicStage. I can browse and access my email from anywhere, so it gets used for that when I'm on it, too.

Wade.


Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please



-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

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New Re: Switchers roll-call
I haven't switched so much as tweaked.

My P2-400 is still running Debian Etch as a headless server in my spare bedroom closet.

My dual-boot Power Mac (circa 2001) runs Tiger and Kubuntu (used to be Debian).

My Powerbook (still a G4) runs Tiger, but I'm saving my pennies for a MacBook Pro. I'm itching to try out Parallels or VMWare since there are apps I use for work that are Windows-only and we use VMWare at school to set up lab infrastructure for our networking students.

Tom Sinclair

Rube: You like spaghetti, George? I like spaghetti. I like board games. I like grabbing a trifecta with that longshot on top. That ozone smell you get from air purifiers. And I like knowing the space between my ears is immeasurable. Mahler's first, Bernstein conducting. You've got to think about all the things you like and decide whether they're worth sticking around for. And if they are, you'll find a way to do this.
George: And what if I don't?
Rube: Then you go away, and you don't get to like anything anymore.
- Dead Like Me
New I'd like the kids' PC to be a mini-Mac
however the school distrcit teaches them with Word & PowerPoint, and they're not quite ready to learn how to manage homework files between the operating systems and apps. And I'm generally too busy at night to help them out.
lincoln

"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow


Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem.


I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States.


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New Word/PowerPoint run on OSX
And without any faffing about WRT file compatibility, either.


Peter
[link|http://www.no2id.net/|Don't Let The Terrorists Win]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home]
Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
[link|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall|A better terminal emulator]
[image|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png|0|Darwinia||]
New my son uses a USB flashdrive
Does his homework in Word and PowerPoint on his mac then brings the USB flashdrive to school and uses the windows machines there. He hasn't had any problems.
--
Steve
[link|http://www.ubuntulinux.org|Ubuntu]
New I'll ask if the USB ports at school are active
if so, I'll buy them their own flashdrives for Sneakernet
lincoln

"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow


Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem.


I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States.


[link|mailto:golf_lover44@yahoo.com|contact me]
New OK, I'll be the one ...
... to ask what the FUCK are they doing teaching them with PowerPoint? <rant> [link|http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001yB&topic_id=1|$rant] </rant>
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Kip Hawley is still an idiot.

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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New It's actually a good idea.
Because although it teaches them how to do all those gooshy effects and shit, it also usually teaches restraint in using them. That's the key, of course.

Wade.


Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please



-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

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New Exercise in futility?
Teaching kids to use restraint with "gooshy effects and shit"? I reeeeeally don't think that's going to work.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New No, it does.
I was surprised when I saw it, too.

There's a kid at church, son of the worship minister, who runs the computer sometimes for the songwords. He'd learnt a bit about PowerPoint at school and I was impressed at his attitude. They teach a lot about how to use the program, obviously, but they also teach mundane things that make a presentation look professional. And he understood on his own why you don't go overboard.

I think experience helps a lot and if you give them experience, they learn past most of the newbie mistakes. And really, most of the mistakes people make in PowerPoint with 'too much' are newbie mistakes.

Wade.


Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please



-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

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· [link|http://yceran.org/|website] ·

New Re: Switchers roll-call
I'm a no switcher.

At Large Giant Corp ($LGC), we're XP. Given how difficult it is for a boat as big as this to change course, Vista is probably not happening there anytime soon.

At home, I'ts been W2K SP4 for well over 3 years. And until someone comes up with a patch that fully and thoroughly disables the "phone home" "feature" of XP and (even more so) Vista, that's where the home machines are staying...until I get around to upgrading to (K)Ubuntu or something like that....
jb4
"It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment."
George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
Expand Edited by jb4 March 10, 2007, 11:47:06 AM EST
New Still XP, Win2K and OpenBSD
XP - main system
Win2K - retiring system (being virtualized for VMware)
OpenBSD - firewall (will be upgrading to latest version and add wireless)

The girlfriend has added a Macbook to the mix so I finally got to play with OS X. Meh. That's right I said "Meh." Though it's cool that I can SSH in to it and make files "mysteriously" appear on her desktop thus annoying her. Heh. (Fortunately she's only half drunk the koolaid so she's a tolerable MacHead.)

I will be adding a new server when I have time but haven't decided on the OS. I'd like to run Solaris/OpenSolaris but need to run VMware on it from time to time so it looks like I'll be diving back into Linux.

Vista will be installed in a VM sometime soon so I can prepare for the new systems arriving which will inevitably have Vista installed rather than XP. *sigh*

I think I put the bullet into OS/2 back in '98 or '99.
lister
New Had the bullet in warp for about a year
but now I have this laptop I take out to cafes and such, and it's nice to surf without phear. Only drawback is my flash is getting long in the tooth again.
New Which Flash? 7a?
New Exactly
Why, you got a more recent one?
New No, but I can still watch YouTube..... for now.
Anything else that doesn't load with the version of Flash I have; I just don't go there.

Which is a great way to not waste my time on sites that are probably not worth looking at in the first place. ;-)
     Switchers roll-call - (pwhysall) - (33)
         I have not changed - (bepatient) - (1)
             I will add, though, that Vista will never be in my portfolio - (bepatient)
         actually backslid - (boxley)
         Not really - (JayMehaffey)
         No change - still running OS/2 - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
             Still running OS/2 as well........ since 1994, in fact. -NT - (n3jja)
         You might not need it just for support - (drewk) - (2)
             Looks nifty... - (pwhysall) - (1)
                 Mostly, yes - (drewk)
         Still a combo of warp and windows - (jake123) - (1)
             (Dis)agree - (drewk)
         Unfortunately, Mac/Windows lacks engineering design tools - (tonytib)
         No change. - (Silverlock)
         Slight change - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
             Ditto - (admin)
         Possibly a change coming soon - (drewk)
         A bit - (crazy)
         I don't think I had a work laptop 12 months ago. - (static)
         Re: Switchers roll-call - (tjsinclair)
         I'd like the kids' PC to be a mini-Mac - (lincoln) - (7)
             Word/PowerPoint run on OSX - (pwhysall)
             my son uses a USB flashdrive - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
                 I'll ask if the USB ports at school are active - (lincoln)
             OK, I'll be the one ... - (drewk) - (3)
                 It's actually a good idea. - (static) - (2)
                     Exercise in futility? - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                         No, it does. - (static)
         Re: Switchers roll-call - (jb4)
         Still XP, Win2K and OpenBSD - (lister) - (4)
             Had the bullet in warp for about a year - (jake123) - (3)
                 Which Flash? 7a? -NT - (n3jja) - (2)
                     Exactly - (jake123) - (1)
                         No, but I can still watch YouTube..... for now. - (n3jja)

Everyone said the hamster catapult wasn't appropriate for the science fair, but no one could stop watching.
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