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New CSSEdit for OS X
Er.

Blimey.

[link|http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/|http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/]

Alarmingly boring screenshots to follow.


Peter
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New Aptana's nice too

Although it's an IDE for HTML, CSS and Javascript. ([link|http://www.aptana.com/|Here], by the way.)

It's free and available as a standalone editor or as a plugin for Eclipse.

The fact that it's written in Java might be a turn-off to some.

I will admit that CSSEdit looks extremely sharp. Let us know how it works for you.

Tom Sinclair

Rube: You like spaghetti, George? I like spaghetti. I like board games. I like grabbing a trifecta with that longshot on top. That ozone smell you get from air purifiers. And I like knowing the space between my ears is immeasurable. Mahler's first, Bernstein conducting. You've got to think about all the things you like and decide whether they're worth sticking around for. And if they are, you'll find a way to do this.
George: And what if I don't?
Rube: Then you go away, and you don't get to like anything anymore.
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New Meh.
Buys me a little over emacs + the Firefox web developer toolbar, but not much.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Here's what I really found useful (52K img)
Gets me a whole lot. The x-ray debugger thing is fab for digging out what needs to be changed.

[image|http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peter.whysall1/css_debug.png||||]

Pointclickdrooltastic!


Peter
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New A Web design friend raves about using it to debug
"Hey, were'd that extra margin come from" can be a pisser to debug.
New Not sure what you're trying to show me there
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New pointclickdrool
Is what I'm trying to point out, and the DOM inspector/EMACS doesn't do that.

Although the Firebug extension for Firefox is pretty neat.


Peter
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New Firebug++

Also I'll second my suggestion from last night that you should get a WebKit nightly build and play with the new web inspector it has.

--\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
New Buh?
I'm not talking about the DOM Inspector.

I'm talking about the Web Developer toolbar, and the Edit CSS feature. There are a number of other extensions that do similar things as well.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Give Firebug a try.

[link|http://getfirebug.com/|You can thank me later] :)

--\r\nYou cooin' with my bird?
New Why would I thank you later?
I've been using it for months. ;-)

Firebug is great for debugging AJAX too.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Expand Edited by admin Dec. 31, 2006, 11:37:43 PM EST
New How does it handle JS classes?
I had a wierd problem with some AJAX-ified JavaScript a few months ago and got to the point of trying to see what I could see in Venkman.

It couldn't see my class functions*. :-O

I eventually solved whatever problem it was another way, but still.

Wade.

* For those who don't know, these are functions created as object elements, either directly with the object literal notation, or by assigning inline function declarations. I find they are great for namespace management.
"Don't give up!"
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New Haven't tried that.
I was referring more to the AJAX request console, which shows you what gets POSTed and returned.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New How were they defined?

Depending on exactly which syntax you use to define your functions, you can end up with their names not being visible to various debuggers.

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New Don't remember exactly.
I know they weren't using the 'normal' function name() { ... } notation. I remember that because the page still had one or two functions like that and Venkman could see those.

But it couldn't see functions defined like this:

\nvar search_dropdown = {\n    keyword: document.ticketsearch.search_keyword,\n    list: {\n        'issue': document.ticketsearch.search_keyword_issue,\n        'product': document.ticketsearch.search_keyword_product,\n        'code': document.ticketsearch.search_keyword_code\n    },\n    check: function(el) {\n        this.keyword.style.display = 'none'\n        for( other in this.list )\n            this.list[other].style.display = 'none'\n        if( el.value in this.list )\n            this.list[el.value].style.display = 'inline'\n        else\n            this.keyword.style.display = 'inline'\n    },\n    set: function(el) {\n        if( el.value in this.list )\n            this.keyword.value = this.list[el.value].value\n    }\n}\nsearch_dropdown.check(document.ticketsearch.search_where)\n


Wade, whose just realized his style of JavaScript programming is being put on show...
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New I was using it to debug some javascript
and css and found the UI to be really confusing.

So there's a little red ex and number in the corner, I click it, and all the panes are blanks. So where's the error? Fuck if I can tell what it is whinging about. It showed me a couple things, but it needs some work.




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New Weird.

It's always worked for me; you running an old version, or the current 1.0 beta?

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     CSSEdit for OS X - (pwhysall) - (16)
         Aptana's nice too - (tjsinclair)
         Meh. - (admin) - (14)
             Here's what I really found useful (52K img) - (pwhysall) - (13)
                 A Web design friend raves about using it to debug - (dws)
                 Not sure what you're trying to show me there -NT - (admin) - (11)
                     pointclickdrool - (pwhysall) - (10)
                         Firebug++ - (ubernostrum)
                         Buh? - (admin) - (8)
                             Give Firebug a try. - (ubernostrum) - (7)
                                 Why would I thank you later? - (admin) - (6)
                                     How does it handle JS classes? - (static) - (3)
                                         Haven't tried that. - (admin)
                                         How were they defined? - (ubernostrum) - (1)
                                             Don't remember exactly. - (static)
                                     I was using it to debug some javascript - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                         Weird. - (ubernostrum)

This is gonna blow up - like a coeliac at a bread festival.
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