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New Flaws Are Detected in Microsoft\ufffds Vista
[link|http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/technology/25vista.html?em&ex=1167282000&en=a46c6ee7a50edc0f&ei=5087%0A|Flaws Are Detected in Microsoft\ufffds Vista]

Microsoft is facing an early crisis of confidence in the quality of its Windows Vista operating system as computer security researchers and hackers have begun to find potentially serious flaws in the system that was released to corporate customers late last month.

Not in the least surprising, I wonder if this will affect uptake of Vista in the least.
New OH RLY?
[link|http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt|YA RLY!]


Peter
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New Love the "Executive Executive Summary"
In my spare time, I think I'm going to go look up all those posts about Palladium, and see how closely the current news stories match.
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New Couldn't resist puting something up . . .
. . so I took time out to write up a little article for my old AAxNet Web site - [link|http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit042.html|Windows Vista - Broken by Design].
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Edits and notes, in order that they appear:
"...Many of the much-trumpeted features..."

Office 2003 will install and run on Vista.

MSDE isn't supported on Vista, but I'm not convinced that that is is the same as "won't work". Of course "isn't supported" is Microsoft-ese for "won't get the security update to stop you getting humped by the next iteration of Slammer".

If Vista looks like a Macintosh, then I have an uncanny resemblance to Brad Pitt.

"...doing some image work, lets say, and..."

"Lets Say Microsoft finds there's a flaw in a popular video card, which might allow breaking DRM protections."

"...to help complexicatecomplicate the situation."

"But it gets worse: [note colon, not full stop] a Vista computer..."

You know what's really stupid? Most of the "premium content" that all this shit is designed to safeguard is unutterable shit that's not even fit for wiping the arse of you and I.

(That last bit isn't necessarily an editorial comment, but it's a good point)


Peter
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New Good suggestions, and I've made adjustments.
I did, however, find some fairly solid evidence MSDE actually doesn't run on Vista. Particularly a software company's instructions on how to get their software to work once you find out MSDE doesn't work. You have to disable Account Control and then uninstall MSDE for starters.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New ObCRC: "Wiping the arse of you and **me**"
jb4
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New Yes, what an illiterate colonialist baboon
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New Well, Peter claims to be from . . .
. . an earlier population established before the various krautish tibes landed in England, so an appropriate CRC designation might be "ignorant aboriginal baboon".
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New What's a "tibe"?
*flees*


Peter
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New "tribe" with a speech impediment.
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New One disagreement
I suspect this whole situation is going to trigger some severe antitrust action against Microsoft - first in Europe, then in Asia, and finally in the U.S.
I don't think any Asian countries ... oh who are we kidding, it's China ... will bother bringing legal action. They'll just crack everything themselves and tell Microsoft to go fuck themselves when they complain. Who do you think is going to be making nearly all the hardware by the end of the decade?
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New You're forgetting Japan . . .
. . they've already been in a couple minor dustups with Microsoft. There's also Korea and Taiwan. Korea was in a tiff with Microsoft just a couple months ago.
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New All they can do is say "no"
China can make their own and sell the shit out of it.
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New Actually the DoJ has been quite active in anti-trust
perhaps surprisingly so - see DRAM (executives going to jail and big fines), and pending investigations into SRAM and IIRC, music CD's and more. I suspect that a lot of the DoJ policies are consistent between administrations and influenced by career government employees.

OTOH, to put it mildly, they could (and should) have been much better vs MS, but I'm not sure that would change with a change of party - there are plenty of Democrats in Seattle, and Hollywood is a big donor to them too. (Remember that the "everything must have DRM" bill was proposed by then Senator Fritz Hollings, a Democrat).

Not trying to start a political war, but just being realistic about politics.

--Tony
New Yeah, but I couldn't resist a swipe . . .
. . at how the Republicans let Microsoft of the hook after they were thoroughly convicted and that conviction was upheld in appeal. Basically they just asked Microsoft what they would be happy with and signed off on it.

Microsoft executives admitted they had more power over computer makers after the settlement than they did before.

Judge CKK is a bit pissed that they haven't even complied with those terms.

[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New How does virtualization impact "premium" content protection?
I suspect MS will have to make Vista impossible to virtualize, if that's possible...
New Guess what's in the EULA.


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New And how many people care?
New That'll depend
on whether Vista does anything about being virtualised.

If it detects virtualisation that it doesn't like, will it shut down?

I dunno.


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New Can it even tell?
It'd be the Windows-on-DR-DOS thing all over again.

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New Yes, I believe it can.
There are ways to detect whether you've been virtualised or not.


Peter
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New It will be interesting to find out
In theory a OS running in a virtual hardware system should not be able to tell, that is the whole idea of virtualizing the hardware. To let every OS think it has total control of the hardware.

In practice, there are probably clues that a system could use to try and judge if it is running in a virtual system or not. The configuration of memory, results of sending commands to motherboard components and other low level hardware interaction is liable to contain signs of modification by the virtualization system. PC hardware is not designed for virtualization and there are some parts that don't handle it well.

Jay
New Here's how it will work (or, more accurately, NOT work):
1) Micros~1 will hear "through the grapevine" of some system successfully virtualizing Vista. (The "grapevine" being some bigmouth blogger who just cant resist shooting of its mouth, or a hit on a bot that trolls eBay looking for someone selling virtualization solutions).

2) Micros~1 will then buy a copy for $pittance of said virtualization software.

3) When they determine that said virtualization software does indeed work, they will then figure out its fingerprint in much the same way that anti-virus makers detect a virus's fingerprint.

4) Micros~1 will then deliver countermeasures through their automatic-update-that-you-cannot-shut-off-without-violating-the-eula-remember-all-your-hardware-are-belong-to-us
"facility". Suddenly, said virtualization fails to work. (and probabaly downloads your MAC address to Microsoft through their phone-home-that-you-cannot-shut-off-without-violating-the-eula-remember-all-your-hardware-are-belong-to-us "facility".) (If they were smart [don't we all wish], they'd delay their de-virtualization patch activation until some time later than the download that actually bombs the virtualizer, so that one couldn't easily associate which download contained the bomb....
jb4
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New And then we are off to the races
Because as soon as Microsoft blocks their software, they will update their software to change it's signature and make Vista run again.

The question becomes one of their ability to keep ahead of Microsoft, and how willing Microsoft is to risk breaking systems to play with low level hardware and BIOS calls. Those things are a very black magic and the whole point of large parts of Vista* is to avoid them. I don't know enough about virtualization on PC to make a guess who is going to win that race.

Jay

*And Linux, and every OS since Windows 3.1 for that matter.
New My guess of the winner will be:
(K)Ubuntu, with Open Office.
jb4
"It's hard for me, you know, living in this beautiful White House, to give you a firsthand assessment."
George W. Bush, when asked if he believed Iraq was in a state of civil war (Newsweek, 26 Feb 07)
     Flaws Are Detected in Microsoft\ufffds Vista - (bluke) - (25)
         OH RLY? - (pwhysall) - (24)
             Love the "Executive Executive Summary" - (drewk)
             Couldn't resist puting something up . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (12)
                 Edits and notes, in order that they appear: - (pwhysall) - (6)
                     Good suggestions, and I've made adjustments. - (Andrew Grygus)
                     ObCRC: "Wiping the arse of you and **me**" -NT - (jb4) - (4)
                         Yes, what an illiterate colonialist baboon -NT - (drewk) - (3)
                             Well, Peter claims to be from . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                                 What's a "tibe"? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                     "tribe" with a speech impediment. -NT - (Andrew Grygus)
                 One disagreement - (drewk) - (2)
                     You're forgetting Japan . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                         All they can do is say "no" - (drewk)
                 Actually the DoJ has been quite active in anti-trust - (tonytib) - (1)
                     Yeah, but I couldn't resist a swipe . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             How does virtualization impact "premium" content protection? - (tonytib) - (9)
                 Guess what's in the EULA. -NT - (pwhysall) - (8)
                     And how many people care? -NT - (tonytib) - (7)
                         That'll depend - (pwhysall) - (6)
                             Can it even tell? - (static) - (5)
                                 Yes, I believe it can. - (pwhysall)
                                 It will be interesting to find out - (JayMehaffey) - (3)
                                     Here's how it will work (or, more accurately, NOT work): - (jb4) - (2)
                                         And then we are off to the races - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                                             My guess of the winner will be: - (jb4)

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