Miserable layout

Post #276,161 by tuberculosis 12/19/06 6:00:11 PM 12/19/06 6:02:44 PM Reply	Miserable layout Forces car dependent culture. Guarantees traffic tieups. Good planning involves roads that pass through - grids are generally best as they are porous and traffic can meander through. Extensive dead ends force traffic to collect on high volume arterials that clog easily and make commutes miserable. Standard urban planning practice is totally fucked. Key mistakes - cul de sacs funnel traffic towards jams on arterials. Zoned use separating commercial from residential favors large chain outlets and mega malls at the expense of smaller neighborhood shops. You're being farmed like a cash crop. Edit: Given the extensive road blockage as a result of our major storm, one will come to appreciate the importance of alternate routes. Image a few downed trees and you can see how that layout is a disaster in a disaster. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Dec. 19, 2006, 06:02:44 PM EST Expand All History
Post #276,162 by boxley 12/19/06 6:03:19 PM Reply	yabbut the grids attract the slides rather have traffic jams in a culdesac than slides doing drivebys every 1/2 looking for targets. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #276,164 by tuberculosis 12/19/06 6:07:58 PM Reply	Slides? I have no idea what you mean. Criminals? How will you feel about being trapped in your cul de sac for a week without power after a storm? [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #276,181 by boxley 12/19/06 9:59:51 PM Reply	slides slide into your neighborhood looking for targets a culdesac is defensible, you know the cars that belong there. I used to be trapped for a week because I couldnt afford my power bill. Now I have transformers that hook up to a motor and can run as long as I need to. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #276,229 by tuberculosis 12/20/06 5:00:29 PM Reply	Not a problem here Everybody knows everybody. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #276,245 by boxley 12/20/06 7:11:50 PM Reply	you are not exactly on an urban grid layout are you Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #276,265 by tuberculosis 12/20/06 11:19:46 PM Reply	I've lived on 'em - never had a problem. I used to live [link\|http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=1400+South+Pearl+Street,+Denver+Colorado&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=39.691073,-104.98033&spn=0.019781,0.051928&om=1&iwloc=addr\|here] and it was far superior to these developer car culture based cul de sac hells the land-rapists like to build. [link\|http://www.pedestrianfriendly.com/?p=486\|There's] [link\|http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/realestate/2003159704_culsdesac30.html\|no] [link\|http://www.muninetguide.com/articles/Middle-Aged-Suburbs-At-Risk-149.php\|shortage] [link\|http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/AUTODEPENDENT.html\|of] [link\|http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5455743\|evidence] [link\|http://www.peck.ca/nua/ip/ip02.htm\|supporting] [link\|http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3069160/\|this] [link\|http://www.fccdr.usf.edu/upload/projects/tlushtml/tlus120.htm\|position]. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #276,276 by Ashton 12/21/06 5:18:31 AM Reply	Very Nice selection, even if it's too late.. for so many.
Post #276,292 by boxley 12/21/06 11:32:20 AM Reply	was here ground floor in a detached house? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #276,300 by tuberculosis 12/21/06 1:17:30 PM Reply	Single family home baby story and a half victorian built 1900 - pre cars. Carriage houses on alley in back. Old neighborhood in Denver. Somewhat gone to seed - many nearby houses were rentals, but on its way back. Great pedestrian neighborhood with small commercial center a block away featuring Denver's best sushi restuarant, great little pub, local theater, some shops - all of which brought in a fair amount of traffic evenings and weekends. Parking on street, moderate traffic flow. I think boosting from a cul de sac would be easier - no traffic, nobody comes by during the day, lots of privacy to do the B&E. In a place with reasonable flow, somebody will probably happen by and say something. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #276,301 by boxley 12/21/06 1:19:55 PM Reply	sounds nice, our culdesac always has people at home we know each other and who belongs there. thanx bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #276,303 by tuberculosis 12/21/06 1:27:00 PM Reply	Sadly, you can't build that kind of neighborhood anymore zoning laws and property developer profit maximization get in the way. Proper living requires decentralizing commerce and fractalizing the structure. Old Denver has one block devoted to commerce every 5-10-ish blocks of houses - often with small businesss on the corners of other blocks. Pedestrian commerce/mixed use planning needs to return. Then, you meet your neighbors. Developers do the opposite - they force commerce to the megamall and make parking miserable, walking impractical, and people drive straight into their garages never meeting their next door neighbors. What a sucky way to live. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #276,169 by crazy 12/19/06 7:09:05 PM Reply	Depends on your goals Forces car dependent culture. Once you are not in the city it is already accepted. Good planning involves roads that pass through - grids are generally best as they are porous and traffic can meander through. Not a chance. If you don't live there you have no business driving through there. Extensive dead ends force traffic to collect on high volume arterials that clog easily and make commutes miserable. Then you shouldn't have been wandering around. A housing development is not there for your cut-through pleasure, it is for people to live as quietly and safely as possible. With the kids playing in front of the house and even in the street without worrying about you driving through in a hurry. Standard urban planning practice is totally fucked. Except this is NOT urban. Key mistakes - cul de sacs funnel traffic towards jams on arterials. No, that is a key design goal. Stay away unless you live on the block. Edit: Given the extensive road blockage as a result of our major storm, one will come to appreciate the importance of alternate routes. Image a few downed trees and you can see how that layout is a disaster in a disaster. 20 years of enjoyable use with a few days of hassle is a perfectly good trade-off for me.

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