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Post #276,149

12/19/06 4:03:50 PM

full retail?

if your business model had any validity they wouldn't need MS any more
than GE needed General Candle or GM needed Consolidated buggy whip

or is your model just BS

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Post #276,154

12/19/06 4:41:26 PM

Re: Business model

I think you got the salient point by ricochet. If MS had a really superior OS, people would buy if of their own volition. At market price. They wouldn't have to be forced into it.
It is my position (arguable) that MS does NOT have a really superior OS and thus they push their product out by making it almost free to PC manufacturers as long as there is no competition. If they allowed a choice, their options would be to produce a good OS (vista does NOT qualify, and XP was obviously produced by a copraphagy) or sell a LOT cheaper. They don't allow choice so now companies have to buy the same OS multiple times for the same machine. Individuals HAVE to buy the OS if they want a mainstream machine.
There used to be laws about being able to apply that kind of pressure to the market. Neither of our opinions of the product have no bearing on the point. The point is abuse of a monopoly.

French consumer group targets the Microsoft tax. - (a6l6e6x) - (80) - Dec. 14, 2006, 11:46:50 AM EST

French consumer group targets the "Microsoft tax". - (andread) - (79) - Dec. 14, 2006, 03:58:48 PM EST

Maybe you can - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 14, 2006, 07:30:30 PM EST

thats probably the most stupid remark you have ever uttered - (boxley) - (77) - Dec. 14, 2006, 07:51:38 PM EST

Unfortunately, no, it isn't. - (CRConrad) - (76) - Dec. 15, 2006, 02:40:10 AM EST

So Move to France - (andread) - (75) - Dec. 15, 2006, 10:57:20 AM EST

so only white box builders should be allowed to not sell $MS -NT - (boxley) - (74) - Dec. 15, 2006, 11:40:09 AM EST

Re: so only white box builders should be allowed to not sell - (andread) - (73) - Dec. 15, 2006, 03:36:12 PM EST

really? - (boxley) - Dec. 15, 2006, 03:48:56 PM EST

It most certainly is a question of allowed. - (Andrew Grygus) - (71) - Dec. 15, 2006, 03:51:06 PM EST

Re: It most certainly is a question of allowed. - (andread) - (70) - Dec. 17, 2006, 11:20:32 AM EST

well dell and gateway anyway, customer service sux -NT - (boxley) - Dec. 17, 2006, 11:32:50 AM EST

Hmm. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 17, 2006, 11:35:45 AM EST

It is to laugh . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:20:10 PM EST

Nit - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:16:24 PM EST

Yea, PowerEdge - corrected. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:18:43 PM EST

I have a Lenovo laptop - (crazy) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:16:27 PM EST

You miss the point spectacularly. - (pwhysall) - (63) - Dec. 17, 2006, 12:15:10 PM EST

Most shills do. ;-) -NT - (n3jja) - (61) - Dec. 17, 2006, 06:16:10 PM EST

Re: Most shills do. ;-) - (andread) - (60) - Dec. 18, 2006, 10:19:59 AM EST

There are certainly ways to do that WITHOUT - (bepatient) - Dec. 18, 2006, 10:36:40 AM EST

All PC buyers aren't the same. - (Another Scott) - (8) - Dec. 18, 2006, 10:49:56 AM EST

Why on Earth would you think such a thing??? - (CRConrad) - (7) - Dec. 18, 2006, 04:14:10 PM EST

Fanboy, maybe. Shill, no. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Dec. 18, 2006, 04:31:31 PM EST

Perhaps even a longterm MSFT stockholder. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:35:45 PM EST

Whew! For a while there, I thought I had the usage wrong... - (CRConrad) - (4) - Dec. 19, 2006, 11:55:20 AM EST

dunno crc shill/fanboy=prostitute/slut one gets paid to - (boxley) - Dec. 19, 2006, 12:15:49 PM EST

wrong - (andread) - (2) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:47:33 AM EST

Uuuh... How, exactly, was that *not* logic? - (CRConrad) - (1) - Dec. 21, 2006, 02:34:06 PM EST

logic? - (andread) - Dec. 22, 2006, 12:25:44 AM EST

I addressed your point directly, you ignored it, again - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 18, 2006, 11:46:10 AM EST

It's a lot harder, actually. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 18, 2006, 12:30:18 PM EST

I addressed your point directly, you ignored it, again - (boxley) - Dec. 18, 2006, 11:46:13 AM EST

And that means "Windows only" just how? - (Andrew Grygus) - (46) - Dec. 18, 2006, 12:29:27 PM EST

Re: And that means "Windows only" just how? - (andread) - (45) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:07:48 PM EST

I'll bet companies that have to pay twice would like it. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:30:08 PM EST

The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (43) - Dec. 18, 2006, 05:50:48 PM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (andread) - (42) - Dec. 19, 2006, 10:50:53 AM EST

You are still missing it - (bepatient) - (18) - Dec. 19, 2006, 11:04:08 AM EST

For values of "missing it" equal to "doesn't WANT to get it" - (CRConrad) - (14) - Dec. 19, 2006, 12:01:22 PM EST

I understand the mental block - (bepatient) - (11) - Dec. 19, 2006, 12:17:14 PM EST

Bunk - (andread) - (10) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:09:42 PM EST

Bullpucky - (bepatient) - Dec. 19, 2006, 05:53:03 PM EST

horsekabobs - (boxley) - (8) - Dec. 19, 2006, 05:59:16 PM EST

Are you talking desktops or servers? - (lincoln) - (7) - Dec. 20, 2006, 02:46:56 PM EST

Dell's schizophrenic regarding Linux. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Dec. 20, 2006, 03:05:24 PM EST

Last I heard - though that was a while back . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5) - Dec. 20, 2006, 05:38:47 PM EST

well, hear this - (andread) - (4) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:44:01 AM EST

Please note: S-E-R-V-E-R - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:48:27 AM EST

your words cited below - (andread) - (1) - Dec. 21, 2006, 09:54:30 AM EST

That's not what was said. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:27:16 AM EST

I can show you a desktop... - (pwhysall) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:48:18 AM EST

For values of "Chuckles" equal to "doesn't get it" - (andread) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:13:48 PM EST

Chuckling my cheeks off. - (CRConrad) - Dec. 20, 2006, 03:44:30 AM EST

Re: You are still missing it - (andread) - (2) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:02:00 PM EST

I didn't give you a car analogy - (bepatient) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2006, 05:59:53 PM EST

I think he's just trying to be annoying - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 20, 2006, 01:35:22 AM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (18) - Dec. 19, 2006, 11:26:46 AM EST

full retail? - (andread) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:03:50 PM EST

Re: Business model - (hnick) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:41:26 PM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (Simon_Jester) - (15) - Dec. 20, 2006, 09:48:41 AM EST

Re: The value of PCs without software? - (pwhysall) - (14) - Dec. 20, 2006, 10:10:24 AM EST

Wow.... - (Simon_Jester) - (13) - Dec. 20, 2006, 11:44:26 AM EST

The refund is wrong. - (pwhysall) - (12) - Dec. 20, 2006, 11:47:07 AM EST

a little googling - (andread) - (11) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:02:37 AM EST

Did ZD do a followup, hmmm? -NT - (Another Scott) - Dec. 21, 2006, 10:32:06 AM EST

No pressure...of course not. - (Simon_Jester) - Dec. 21, 2006, 02:20:52 PM EST

As a builder formerly listed as a "Microsoft Partner" - - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 21, 2006, 02:38:18 PM EST

Re: a little googling ____ Not. So. Fast. there, fanboy - (Ashton) - (7) - Dec. 22, 2006, 03:19:41 AM EST

Ashton . . . you trying to overload the poor boy? - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 22, 2006, 12:48:15 PM EST

Re: a little googling - (andread) - (5) - Dec. 22, 2006, 09:09:45 PM EST

Ooh boy - (bepatient) - (4) - Dec. 22, 2006, 09:55:32 PM EST

Ooh - (andread) - (3) - Dec. 23, 2006, 10:28:47 AM EST

I know you're missing this on purpose, but ... - (drewk) - Dec. 23, 2006, 01:02:46 PM EST

You STILL ignore the point - (bepatient) - Dec. 23, 2006, 01:21:51 PM EST

Oh...So what, exactly, *did* you think we'd be discussing... - (CRConrad) - Dec. 23, 2006, 03:22:57 PM EST

Car analogy holds - (jbrabeck) - (3) - Dec. 19, 2006, 02:23:48 PM EST

Car analogy reeks - (andread) - (2) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:15:45 PM EST

Car analogy works - (ubernostrum) - Dec. 19, 2006, 04:58:52 PM EST

Eh? - (pwhysall) - Dec. 20, 2006, 02:18:01 AM EST

That's not what he was aiming for -NT - (drewk) - Dec. 17, 2006, 06:20:48 PM EST

OK, this is why evolution is bunk. You're not smart enough to have evolved from anything.
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