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New This Is What Happens When You Let Developers Create UI
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Yeesh. That's pretty horrible.

What's really annoying is that the code's probably quite pretty and well-organised, unlike this big bowl of widget soup.


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New That's really not so bad, IMO.
Yes, of course it could be organized better, and yes it doesn't need to be so cluttered, and yes it probably has too many options for one screen. I like the "Pro Mode" button. :-)

But "horrible"? I wouldn't call it that.

Remember [link|http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/77174.aspx|FileMatrix] (mentioned in the original link as well)? That's pretty bad, but later [link|http://www.gardenerofthoughts.org/ideas/filematrix/index.htm|versions] seem to be better.

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New Yeah, it's pretty horrible
There's no clear distinction between the options you need to, say, simply recursively slurp down a website (i.e. the most common use case by a country mile) and the options you need to do the HTTP equivalent of standing on one's head whilst whistling Dixie.

Simply glopping all the available wget switches into one vast dialogue isn't the answer.

Some sitting down and thinking about what people actually do with wget would instantly improve it.

If you address that one simple case - recursively download a website - you could improve the user experience for 90% of users at a stroke.


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New What's really scary...
is the button at the bottom marked "Pro Mode".
New Then again, that might be the pinnacle of elegance and...
...simplicity: Just a single text box, for the real pros to write the correct command-line options in, exactly as they'd appear at the shell prompt.


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New That already exists on Windows...
It goes by the name of CMD.EXE


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New But there you have to type the name of the command itself.
I'm sure this Pro version of that GUI -- that is, at least the hypopthetical variant thereof that I'm thinking of -- saves you those few keystrokes, so you *only* have to type the parameters.

It's a great labour-saving device, you see.


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New Start->Programs->Accessories->Command Prompt
Neener.

If you start the MS Virtual Keyboard up, you don't have to type a thing.

Which is clearly better, right?


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Expand Edited by pwhysall Dec. 13, 2006, 10:48:13 AM EST
New [Windows][r] [enter] cmd[enter] ... much faster than mousing
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New . <-- you the joke --> .


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New Was talking about mousing to Start -> Programs -> etc
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New Re: This Is What Happens When You Let Developers Create UI
>pwhysall:
>What's really annoying is that the code's probably quite pretty and well
>organised, unlike this big bowl of widget soup.

The code is the interface. And there is probably not much of it!
This is just a GUI front-end for wget.

And not much effort was put, to hide the complexity of wget.

This is not that that complicated to call for dedicated designer. The guy was just lazy!

Maybe a GUI that maps a CLI isn't such a good idea. Maybe the program should have been writen from the start to support a GUI, or that more code around the CLI should have been writen to make it more interactive and not batch-like



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     This Is What Happens When You Let Developers Create UI - (pwhysall) - (11)
         That's really not so bad, IMO. - (Another Scott) - (9)
             Yeah, it's pretty horrible - (pwhysall) - (8)
                 What's really scary... - (Simon_Jester) - (7)
                     Then again, that might be the pinnacle of elegance and... - (CRConrad) - (6)
                         That already exists on Windows... - (pwhysall) - (5)
                             But there you have to type the name of the command itself. - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                 Start->Programs->Accessories->Command Prompt - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                     [Windows][r] [enter] cmd[enter] ... much faster than mousing -NT - (drewk) - (2)
                                         . <-- you the joke --> . -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                             Was talking about mousing to Start -> Programs -> etc -NT - (drewk)
         Re: This Is What Happens When You Let Developers Create UI - (systems)

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