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Post #274,079
by folkert
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11/27/06 2:36:54 PM
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New This line of questioning wouldn't get you a candidate for
the job in the first place. You knocked out many worth while one even before you stop to consider you rant.
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Post #274,080
by crazy
11/27/06 2:43:30 PM
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New Whoa
The key issue was guiding you toward a reasonable doable solution, at least to get you thinking along those lines. But since you really don't have the programming background, you attempted a brute force response (which is typical for non-programmers) and then got upset when he refocused.

There is absolutely NO WAY your anticipated solution would have been workable, even with all the memory available in PAE. Didn't matter. So he pointed you back to the simple original requirements.

But rather than take the direction, you got silly.
Post #274,081
by folkert
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11/27/06 2:47:43 PM
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New No he got downright rude.
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Post #274,095
by tuberculosis
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11/27/06 3:48:04 PM
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New I'm not trying to be rude
I'm trying to help you. When I say PAE is out of bounds - accept it and try a new avenue. Don't spend time defending it as a choice.

Your interviewer has specific things he wants to see.

This is no different than asking you to reverse a string, watching you allocate space for a new one, and then me refocusing to say "OK - but the string is ginormous and there is no more memory available - now what will you do". Because I want to see the in-place solution.

You said you want to be a programmer. I'm happy to help you achieve that and coach you through what passes as interviewing these days. The really-hard-puzzle-solve-this-on-the-spot interview is very popular now.



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     Steve Yegge (who he? - ed) on Perl - (pwhysall) - (62) - Nov. 25, 2006, 07:28:41 PM EST
         IRLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Nov. 25, 2006, 07:54:59 PM EST
         He worked for Amazon for many years - (tuberculosis) - (60) - Nov. 25, 2006, 08:42:36 PM EST
             Well based on that ... - (folkert) - (59) - Nov. 25, 2006, 09:50:54 PM EST
                 Key factors are - (tuberculosis) - (58) - Nov. 25, 2006, 10:08:42 PM EST
                     do it all the time - (boxley) - Nov. 25, 2006, 10:54:26 PM EST
                     I have never had an under spec'd system. - (folkert) - (56) - Nov. 26, 2006, 01:56:19 PM EST
                         More to the point is will it fit on one machine? - (tuberculosis) - (55) - Nov. 26, 2006, 04:44:19 PM EST
                             I guess I think to simply. - (folkert) - (22) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:09:35 PM EST
                                 You would filewalk for every query? - (crazy) - (18) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:22:25 PM EST
                                     RAMFS? -NT - (folkert) - (17) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:34:52 PM EST
                                         Doesn't matter - (crazy) - (5) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:49:53 PM EST
                                             That would be a radix-search, I think. - (static) - (3) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:59:13 PM EST
                                                 Nah, you want a hash - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:18:48 PM EST
                                                     I thought a radix search was also O(1). - (static) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:51:29 PM EST
                                                         Gah - my bad - (tuberculosis) - Nov. 27, 2006, 12:27:44 AM EST
                                             Also, I just thought about your file size - (crazy) - Nov. 26, 2006, 06:06:09 PM EST
                                         On a 32 bit machine? -NT - (tuberculosis) - (10) - Nov. 26, 2006, 10:52:50 PM EST
                                             Ever heard of PAE? - (folkert) - (9) - Nov. 26, 2006, 10:56:33 PM EST
                                                 I'd call that exotic technology -NT - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:11:49 PM EST
                                                     No, it is bone stock on everything since the P3 from Intel - (folkert) - (7) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:18:48 PM EST
                                                         And AMD? PowerPC? ARM? - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:30:16 PM EST
                                                             You said COMMON 32-bit - (folkert) - (5) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:35:31 PM EST
                                                                 That kind of weasel won't get you a job - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:35:03 PM EST
                                                                     This line of questioning wouldn't get you a candidate for - (folkert) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:36:54 PM EST
                                                                         Whoa - (crazy) - (2) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:43:30 PM EST
                                                                             No he got downright rude. -NT - (folkert) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2006, 02:47:43 PM EST
                                                                                 I'm not trying to be rude - (tuberculosis) - Nov. 27, 2006, 03:48:04 PM EST
                                 Where did you get 1G? - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2006, 10:50:05 PM EST
                                     Not all 9 digit numbers are valid. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:08:48 PM EST
                                         I assumed so - (tuberculosis) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:15:44 PM EST
                             something you forgot, what lawyer to hire - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:40:12 PM EST
                                 Nah - (crazy) - Nov. 26, 2006, 05:51:36 PM EST
                             We talked about this one before - (admin) - (6) - Nov. 26, 2006, 10:14:49 PM EST
                                 We did - he didn't - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:06:33 PM EST
                                     Just saying... - (admin) - (4) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:14:33 PM EST
                                         But we hardly talk about programming at all anymore - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:18:18 PM EST
                                             :-) - (Another Scott) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:42:56 PM EST
                                                 I agree on the eyeballs. - (static) - Nov. 26, 2006, 11:59:12 PM EST
                                                 I put most of my programming rants on my blog - (tuberculosis) - Nov. 27, 2006, 12:26:11 AM EST
                             non programmer answer, append a 0,1 or2 - (boxley) - (15) - Nov. 27, 2006, 05:45:45 PM EST
                                 PICK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? - (crazy) - (5) - Nov. 27, 2006, 06:40:21 PM EST
                                     dont knock it until you have tried it, recently -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Nov. 27, 2006, 07:58:22 PM EST
                                         I've spent the last 20 years systematically killing it - (crazy) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:06:38 PM EST
                                             again, see what the needs are and then ask what the solution - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 27, 2006, 10:58:55 PM EST
                                                 One trick pony - (crazy) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2006, 11:06:48 PM EST
                                                     If that is the trick you need use it -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 28, 2006, 06:59:22 AM EST
                                 The key is to stay off the disk - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Nov. 27, 2006, 06:44:04 PM EST
                                     CramFS in RAM. -NT - (folkert) - (6) - Nov. 27, 2006, 07:27:32 PM EST
                                         That's not a solution either - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Nov. 27, 2006, 08:14:50 PM EST
                                             Okay, at this point... - (folkert) - (4) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:45:49 PM EST
                                                 Sure - just want to give you a taste - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2006, 10:58:48 PM EST
                                                     personally I hate programming, I like debugging - (boxley) - Nov. 27, 2006, 11:05:54 PM EST
                                                     Cheaper at Bookpool, btw. - (admin) - Nov. 27, 2006, 11:15:28 PM EST
                                                     ICLRPD - (drewk) - Nov. 27, 2006, 11:39:45 PM EST
                                     Math isnt my strong suit but - (boxley) - Nov. 27, 2006, 08:25:07 PM EST
                             I hope you're going to outline the solution. :-) - (Another Scott) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:33:15 PM EST
                                 Admin did it very nicely. - (crazy) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:49:53 PM EST
                                     D'Oh! Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:58:57 PM EST
                                 Cool sort paper - (crazy) - Nov. 27, 2006, 09:55:50 PM EST
                             Taking a stab - (ChrisR) - (2) - Nov. 27, 2006, 10:07:24 PM EST
                                 Still doesn't beat O(1) :-) -NT - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2006, 10:13:27 PM EST
                                     Ok, I read the answer you gave... - (ChrisR) - Nov. 27, 2006, 10:19:51 PM EST

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