Post #273,183
11/13/06 5:48:46 PM
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you are wrong on a few points
you are paying for more than glass, you are paying for every person who calls in because their mail disappeared (spouse popped it at home) storm damage(katrina) and all the hardware, cable and folks who how to keep it running. We agree with you, you pay for bandwidth, google pays for their bandwidth and somehow we all get service.
Net Neutrality means that when you make a 911 call from your vonage phone because you had an accident at home and your neighbor is downloading the latest porn it means that QOS is not allowed so you have to contend for the same bandwidth, that will make the net a lot less usefull.
thanx,
bill
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Post #273,187
11/13/06 6:03:34 PM
8/21/07 12:45:57 PM
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You've fallen victim to propaganda
I've seen Werner Vogels's presentation at gnomedex and talked it over a bit with him at mixers.
Net Neutrality means that the only parameters providers can plug into their rate structure is bandwidth and class of network traffic. You can certainly do QoS stuff giving VOIP higher priority than HTTP if you want to.
You may not charge me more per http packet because you think I live in a rich neighborhood. You may not impose additional costs on me because I set up a website that can take credit card payments and you think I'm making too much money. The network providers have indicated that they want to do exactly this. Who can pay? Big sites. This cements the status quo and stifles innovation.
The providers want to extract a vig from larger web sites, because they think they can get additional revenues. Users who don't pay the vig will see their traffic degraded.
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Post #273,193
11/13/06 7:07:14 PM
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hardly
The cable co's have no intention of charging more for bandwidth in rich neighborhoods. The only way you can differentiate bandwidth is by QOS. I do not care where the traffic is going, only how much it costs to get there. Cable folks are not telcos, different business model. [link|http://www.computerwire.com/industries/research/?pid=6E32BC92-F996-4846-B637-49F55B5DD078&type=CW%20News|http://www.computerw...78&type=CW%20News] Cox spent $15bn in private capital creating our new digital interactive network and will continue to invest in the network so long as there is an incentive to do so,\ufffd said David Edleman, spokesperson of Atlanta-based cable broadband operator Cox Communications Inc, in an email.
\ufffdIt\ufffds not in anyone\ufffds best interest to stifle further innovation and investment -- and government regulation of an industry typically does,\ufffd he said.
What\ufffds more, \ufffdCox does not and will not block or slow access to any legal site on the web. Quite simply, it is not in our interest to do so,\ufffd Edleman said. the last sentence sez it all, customer service or they go elsewhere. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #273,210
11/13/06 10:20:04 PM
8/21/07 12:46:24 PM
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Uh huh, go where?
>customer service or they go elsewhere.
Where are they gonna go? Do you have a choice of providers? I don't. I can get comcast, or qwest.
Plenty of others can only get one or the other. Not much choice.
AT&T Chairman Edward E. Whitacre Jr. complained that Internet content providers were getting a free ride: "They don't have any fiber out there. They don't have any wires. . . . They use my lines for free -- and that's bull," he said. "For a Google or a Yahoo or a Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes for free is nuts!''
An executive with BellSouth was quoted saying that the company would consider charging Apple five or 10 cents extra each time a customer downloaded a song using iTunes.
No, we're not going to charge differently based on ability to pay. Of course not.
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Post #273,215
11/13/06 10:31:12 PM
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you wanna live on an island deal with YOUR choices
we live or die with ours and our choice is customer service.
thanx,
bill
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Post #273,217
11/13/06 10:35:43 PM
8/21/07 12:46:32 PM
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Its no better on the mainland
And how is charging me an extra nickel for iTunes downloads "customer service"?
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Post #273,220
11/13/06 10:52:12 PM
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obviously you are not my customer
I dont work for a telco, I would rather upsell you on product offerings, every house I pass I have an opportunity to upsell my services. To do that successfully I must offer incentives. The best incentive is the perceived willingness to do whatever it takes to keep you satisfied. Other business models dont work for me. Malaise and willingness to nickel and dime someone to death is why bell south has no services in my home. That model is a complacent one. I have seen it lead to the demise of small telco's and expect the larger ones to follow suit. Someone with big pockets and drive will own the ATT/BellSouth behemouth. The only true telco that gets it appears to be verizon but they are very slow to change, they might not be agile enough.
thanx,
bill
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Post #273,249
11/14/06 4:04:14 AM
8/21/07 12:47:16 PM
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cableco ~= telco
same thing really.
New trick is for Comcast to filter non-Comcast VOIP. Net neutrailty will prevent that.
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Post #273,254
11/14/06 7:45:01 AM
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we will have to agree
you dont know much about networking or what my company does for a living.
thanx,
bill
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Post #273,259
11/14/06 10:58:10 AM
8/21/07 12:47:42 PM
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yeah, I only worked cable and telcos for the whole 90s
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Post #273,221
11/13/06 10:58:10 PM
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The point of mentioning glass is that...
bandwidth ought to be relatively cheap. The other stuff you mention are just the costs of doing business. The only calls I make to Time Warner are to tell them their freakin cable (which is buried) is out! For that reason it's not likely I'll be buying their phone service. But, it has improved over the years.
If I'm having trouble with VoIP, it's because the cable company has too many houses being served by the local hub.
Alex
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