I see your point but.....

If we are talking real center then here are some initiatives that should gotten to asap

1. 65 percent favor guaranteed health insurance for everyone -- even if it means raising taxes.

2. 86 percent favor raising the minimum wage.

3. 60 percent favor repealing either all of Bush's tax cuts or at least those cuts that went to the rich.

4. 66 percent would reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

5. 77 percent believe the country should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment.

6. 87 percent think big oil corporations are gouging consumers, and 80 percent (including 76 percent of Republicans) would support a windfall profits tax on the oil giants if the revenues went for more research on alternative fuels.

7. 69 percent agree that corporate offshoring of jobs is bad for the U.S. economy (78 percent of "disaffected" voters think this), and only 22% believe offshoring is good because "it keeps costs down."

8. Over 63% oppose the War in the Iraq.

9. 92% of all Americans support transparent, verifiable elections.

Post #272,736 by Silverlock 11/9/06 10:15:18 AM Reply	I see your point but..... I think it may be difficult to distinguish between effective oversight and "getting even". If they do the job, indictments will come showering down. ----------------------------------------- Draft Obama [link\|http://www.draftobama.org/\|now].
Post #272,747 by a6l6e6x 11/9/06 11:07:17 AM Reply	Yep, there's a fine line between oversight and "getting... even". But, what's worse is that line is placed differently by different folks. As they say, YMMV. For example, impeaching Bush would be an exercise in futility. It's not that he doesn't deserve it, it's that ultimately it can't happen. The votes will not be there. So, going there would be counterproductive. Other, doable things, would not get done. At least, make the SOB veto reasonable legislation. Alex When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
Post #272,748 by Silverlock 11/9/06 11:19:55 AM Reply	Also, "from the center". Real center or pundit center? If we are talking real center then here are some initiatives that should gotten to asap 1. 65 percent favor guaranteed health insurance for everyone -- even if it means raising taxes. 2. 86 percent favor raising the minimum wage. 3. 60 percent favor repealing either all of Bush's tax cuts or at least those cuts that went to the rich. 4. 66 percent would reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes. 5. 77 percent believe the country should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment. 6. 87 percent think big oil corporations are gouging consumers, and 80 percent (including 76 percent of Republicans) would support a windfall profits tax on the oil giants if the revenues went for more research on alternative fuels. 7. 69 percent agree that corporate offshoring of jobs is bad for the U.S. economy (78 percent of "disaffected" voters think this), and only 22% believe offshoring is good because "it keeps costs down." 8. Over 63% oppose the War in the Iraq. 9. 92% of all Americans support transparent, verifiable elections. ----------------------------------------- Draft Obama [link\|http://www.draftobama.org/\|now].
Post #272,751 by boxley 11/9/06 12:58:44 PM Reply	65% believe stealing is okay 52% think we should legalize drugs 60% think that non whites are evul what the country wants and what government should provide are 2 different things. Universal overhaul of the health delivery system in this country is needed. Free health care for all wont fix the problem. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #272,763 by Silverlock 11/9/06 2:35:47 PM Reply	Beep has taught his student well. ----------------------------------------- Draft Obama [link\|http://www.draftobama.org/\|now].
Post #272,769 by boxley 11/9/06 2:57:48 PM Reply	a very marlowe like reply, thank you Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #272,774 by Silverlock 11/9/06 4:32:58 PM Reply	Bite me. You're the one who pulled out all the strawmen. ----------------------------------------- Draft Obama [link\|http://www.draftobama.org/\|now].
Post #272,790 by boxley 11/9/06 6:10:55 PM Reply	whip it out, Ill show you the other side giving universal health care without reforming health delivery mechanisms will sink whats left of the bad system we have. The other points were crafted to indicate that running the business of the country is important. Taking the same dollars that went to the repo base and handing it to the demo base is not. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #272,837 by Silverlock 11/10/06 7:22:06 AM Reply	again Bill, from the center. I was attempting to show that "from the center" may just possibly mean "populist" instead of what gets described as centrist by the chattering classes. You know, not on the extremes. Just as an exercise, what would you consider centrist if not what most people agree on? ----------------------------------------- Draft Obama [link\|http://www.draftobama.org/\|now].
Post #272,862 by boxley 11/10/06 2:20:47 PM Reply	centerist, the line where most everyone disagrees Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #272,863 by Silverlock 11/10/06 2:25:00 PM Reply	Yew R a laff ryut ----------------------------------------- Draft Obama [link\|http://www.draftobama.org/\|now].
Post #272,773 by bepatient 11/9/06 4:32:33 PM Reply	Au contraire. Box teaches me new things every day! Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #272,800 by jb4 11/9/06 8:29:33 PM Reply	Where do you get your numbers?!? 52% think we should legalize drugs Balls! From [link\|http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/ballot.measures/\|CNN] Colorado Amendment 44: Legalize Marijuana: Yes: 40%, No 60% Nevada Question 7: Legalize Marijuana: Yes: 44%, No 56% Might wanna check your numbers next time, big boy... jb4 "When the final history is written in Iraq, [link\|http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmate/2006/tmate060926.gif\|it'll look just like a comma.]" — George W. Bush, 24 Sep 06
Post #272,802 by Another Scott 11/9/06 8:51:12 PM Reply	83.65% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Post #272,842 by imqwerky 11/10/06 8:18:04 AM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #272841 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=272841\|ICLRPD] Smile, Amy [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?Amy%20Rathman\|Pics of the Family]
Post #272,807 by boxley 11/9/06 9:35:42 PM Reply	nice try Nevada Question 7: Legalize Marijuana: Yes: 44%, No 56% both of those numbers represent 40% of registered voters so in nevada 23% of the voters are against legalizing marijuana, the rest of the people are smoking it thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #272,815 by Ashton 11/9/06 10:51:17 PM Reply	Arithmetic problems much?
Post #272,838 by Silverlock 11/10/06 7:23:48 AM Reply	I didn't say voters. People. ----------------------------------------- Draft Obama [link\|http://www.draftobama.org/\|now].
Post #272,825 by a6l6e6x 11/9/06 11:12:19 PM Reply	Not everything people are in favor of is fully thought out. If, for example, "whatever it takes" to protect the environment meant outlawing the use of all automobiles that get less than 20 MPG, or outlawing the use of fertilizer on lawns, or the use of gasoline engine lawnmowers, or the doubling of their electric bill, etc., many people would modify their position. Politicians would hopefully think things through. Alex When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
Post #272,839 by Silverlock 11/10/06 7:25:06 AM Reply	See 272837 ----------------------------------------- Draft Obama [link\|http://www.draftobama.org/\|now].
Post #273,054 by Arkadiy 11/12/06 6:10:08 PM Reply	92% of all Americans support transparent, verifiable ele The other 8 percent believe elections to be outdated concept, too good for our modern-day consumeristic sheeple. ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #272,750 by hnick 11/9/06 11:54:22 AM Reply	Reminds me of one of my Irish granny's sayings: Forgiveness is a beautiful thing. Just get even first. I liked it.
Post #272,767 by lincoln 11/9/06 2:48:49 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #272766 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=272766\|ICLRPD] lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:golf_lover44@yahoo.com\|contact me]

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