Try not to feed the AOLZilla monster

Post #26,748 by nking 1/31/02 6:38:17 PM Reply	Try not to feed the AOLZilla monster stick with open source products. Avoid IE and Netscape if possible. The best thing to come out of Netscape is the Mozilla project, mostly because the open source community has been doing work on it, not just Netscape/AOL programmers. "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #26,764 by bepatient 1/31/02 7:39:05 PM Reply	You really need... ...to get over this strange anti-aol skid. Galeon is a wonderful browser...based on Mozilla...funded, in large part, by independent programmers and )gasp( AOL. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #26,765 by nking 1/31/02 7:43:14 PM Reply	Sorry but I don't have to any more than many need to get over their Anti-MS Skid. Am I not entitled to my opinions on AOL anymore? Can I not be a critic of a company that I dislike? I'd sooner put a gun to my head than love AOl the way that many people do. "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #26,769 by bepatient 1/31/02 9:16:06 PM Reply	Oh never mind You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #26,809 by pwhysall 2/1/02 4:36:43 AM Reply	And use what? By your logic, Mozilla and its spawn are tainted by the Evul Hand Of AOL. Opera is not free software in any sense of the word (adware != free in my eyes) and that leaves what? Sheesh, Norm. AOL might be an all-consuming media whore monster bitch from hell, but that's just The American Way. You should be /proud/ of AOL. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #26,814 by wharris2 2/1/02 8:24:54 AM Reply	Isn't Mozilla open source? "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth
Post #26,831 by nking 2/1/02 9:15:31 AM Reply	Mozilla is open source Mozilla is not what I have the problem with, it is the bloatware called Netscape that I have the problem with. The Evil version of Mozilla that is bloated and has all those evil AOL geegaws added to it. Other free browser? [link\|http://www.w3.org/Amaya/\|Amaya] can browse and publish. [link\|http://www.mnemonic.org/mnemonic/documentation/doc/www/index.html\|Mnemonic] is still under development. [link\|http://lynx.browser.org/\|Lynx] still exists, it still does text only, but it is a web browser. [link\|http://www.icab.de/\|iCab] is great if you have a Mac. [link\|http://java.sun.com/products/hotjava/\|HotJava] will end in 2003, but it is still available for download. [link\|http://sunsite.dk/qweb/\|QWeb] exists for many Unix platforms. [link\|http://browsers.evolt.org/\|The Web browser archive] still has files that may no longer be available for download on other sites. [link\|http://www.ultrabrowser.com/\|Ultrabrowser] is free, as far as I know. [link\|http://dillo.sourceforge.net/\|Dillo] is free, small, and fast. [link\|http://www.offbyone.com/\|Off by one] weird name, but fast web browser. Too bad it only exists for Windows. [link\|http://cheetah.sourceforge.net/\|Cheetah] is open sourced and not based on Mozilla. [link\|http://grail.sourceforge.net/\|Grail] written in Python, and open sourced. [link\|http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbrowser/\|XBrowser] runs on Java and is platform independant. [link\|http://sourceforge.net/projects/shogun/\|Shogun] is also written in Java, but is still under development. If I had the free time and money, I'd attempt to write my own browser. :) "Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
Post #26,846 by pwhysall 2/1/02 10:54:11 AM Reply	And how many of those... ...are even vaguely standards compliant? Here's yer Browsing In 2002 Ticklist: 1. HTML 4.0, XHTML 4.0 and XML 1.0 support 2. CSS1 (full compliance) 3. CSS2 (as much as poss) 4. JavaScript 5. Image support - gif, jpeg and png at least. Amaya doesn't render at all well and isn't suited to general use. It's an experimental platform developed by W3C. Mnemonic doesn't appear to have been touched for nearly 2 years. It's dead. Lynx is inferior to w3m in just about every way. iCab seems to be missing CSS and XHTML support. "HotJava Browser 3.0 is also a "modern" browser for the Java platform that offers HTML capabilities comparable with Netscape NavigatorTM 3.0." Nuff said. "Before you download cheetah you must realize that it is not currently in a usable state (yet). I have released cheetah this early so that potential developers can get a feel for how the project is being put together and can start contributing." I could go on. The point is that these products are NOT viable replacements for Mozilla - in many cases, they're not viable replacements for Netscape 4! And BTW, Netscape 6.2 is every bit as fast and sleek as Mozilla 0.9.6 whence it sprang. You don't HAVE to install every geegaw and widget that comes with it, ya know. If I had the free time and money, I'd attempt to write my own browser. :) Don't bother. Your time would be MUCH better spent contributing to one of the existing projects. A web browser is a much larger undertaking than most people realize - hence the never-gonna-be-anywhere-near-finished status of most of the projects you listed. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]

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