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New X hates me ______ [long, sad rant, advice sought at the end]
A couple of months ago, I noticed wmfs weren't playing any more in Linux. I don't typically watch much video on the computer -- just what people here link, mostly -- so I had no idea how long it had been broken. I assumed it was either a player or a codec had gotten borked in a recent Debian upgrade. No biggie, I'm on Unstable, shit happens.

So I go poking around, upgrading this, downgrading that. Finally decide that it's time to switch from XFree86 to xorg. Not so much a "finally I'm ready" moment as a "what've I got to lose?" moment.

Blecch. That sucked.

I eventually got it so monumentally screwed up that I couldn't even get X to launch any more. I gave up and booted to Windows. (Duel[1] boot is keen!) Went looking around for tips on fixing X. While I've got a browser window open I figure, "Hey, I might as well check out that video." Imagine my chagrin when I find that video doesn't play in Windows, either.

"Hmm, I'm not A+ Certified™ or nothin', but this seems like it just might not be an X issue," I think to myself. So, knowing that it's most likely a dying video card, I try to at least get X working again while it still does static content okay. This is the part where, if you've ever seen a Hollywood movie where the director used strings in the score to make absolutely sure you don't miss the foreshadowing, you'll be thinking, "What a dumbass."

Somewhere in the midst of installing, removing, upgrading downgrading, sidegrading, and constant rebooting, it stopped even making it through the POST. "Well shit," says me, "I'll pull the video card from my old box and put it in here." And it doesn't make it through the POST. And the power supply fan doesn't spin up. [sigh]

So I finally get around to ordering a new PS. (Note to self: June and July is a good time to not spend your nights in front of a monitor. Remember this next summer.) Pop it in and ... POST! Then X hangs. Reboot to Windows and ... video!

Okay, so either the video card took down the power supply, or vice versa. Either way, I now have functioning components. I'm like all "Woot!" and stuff.

But X still doesn't work. And researching in lynx while I'm trying to fix it suuuUUUCCCKKKKS! Okay, VMWare to the rescue. Boot to Windows, launch VMWare. Google in Windows, switch to Linux to try new stuff. Decide -- because nothing else has worked, so why not? -- to change my sources.list to point to Ubuntu. Everyone says it works so great. Some time later (I could count the time-stamped backups of xorg.conf if I really cared) I notice that it's the FUCKING MOUSE it's not seeing. WTF?! When/why did that stop working?

So I track down a tip for starting X without a mouse. It's normally used for headless installations, but mine's just all bustificated. Reconfigure and X launches, yay! (No mouse, of course.) Thinking I don't nee to be in VMWare any more, reboot to Linux and ... feel free to start shaking your head here, because I know you see it coming ... X won't start. Oh yeah [smacks head] I forgot the "no mouse" parameter I added to startx. Hmm, no place to do that with GDM. No problemo, I'll fix that later.

So I'm happily in X, having used startx instead of gdm. Looking for tips on finding what port the damn mouse is on. I try everything in /dev/input, /dev/mouse, /dev/psaux ... all the places everyone says to look. Even tried ttys0 and ttys1. (Yeah, I researched. I didn't know that.)

At one point, instead of another round of sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I just sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf and start trying different mouse ports. Suddenly I notice two things. 1) I'm not using the "no mouse" command line option to startx, but it's working anyway. And 2) xorg.conf is showing VMWare as the video driver. Thinking how odd that is, I change it back to tdfx, restart X, and it still works. And since I don't need the "no mouse" parameter, I try gdm again. Nope, no device found. (But it doesn't say pointer device or video device. This comes up again later.)

So I play around with video devices for a while. Try pointer settings. No matter what I do, the mouse can't be found. But then I notice that changing the available resolutions in xorg.conf didn't seem to do anything, either.

So I do the dpkg-reconfigure dance again and ... fucking X won't start again.


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So here's the question I know I need an answer for: How the hell do I find what port the mouse is on? It works in Windows. I've tried both PS/2 and USB mice. Windows sees them both, X gets nothing. Even when usbview shows the USB mouse attached, mdetect doesn't find that or the PS/2. (Although it does point to ttyS0 & ttyS1.)

What did I break, and how do I un-break it?






[1] Yes, I know. It's intentional.
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New Re: X hates me ______ [long, sad rant, advice sought at the
I'm running Ubuntu 6.06.

USB mice should show up in /dev/input/. There should be /dev/input/mice which is an algamated "device", and individual /dev/input/mouse<n> where <n>= 0, 1, 2, ... for each connected mouse .

Try cat /proc/bus/input/devices>, you should see something like so:
\nI: Bus=0011 Vendor=0001 Product=0001 Version=ab41\nN: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"\nP: Phys=isa0060/serio0/input0\nS: Sysfs=/class/input/input0\nH: Handlers=kbd event0\nB: EV=120013\nB: KEY=402000000 3802078f840d001 f2ffffdfffefffff fffffffffffffffe\nB: MSC=10\nB: LED=7\n\nI: Bus=0010 Vendor=001f Product=0001 Version=0100\nN: Name="PC Speaker"\nP: Phys=isa0061/input0\nS: Sysfs=/class/input/input1\nH: Handlers=kbd event1\nB: EV=40001\nB: SND=6\n\nI: Bus=0003 Vendor=056a Product=0015 Version=0403\nN: Name="Wacom Graphire4 4x5"\nP: Phys=\nS: Sysfs=/class/input/input2\nH: Handlers=mouse0 event2 ts0\nB: EV=1f\nB: KEY=1c63 700ff 0 0 0 0\nB: REL=100\nB: ABS=3000003\nB: MSC=1\n\nI: Bus=0003 Vendor=046d Product=c50e Version=2500\nN: Name="Logitech USB Receiver"\nP: Phys=usb-0000:00:13.1-1/input0\nS: Sysfs=/class/input/input3\nH: Handlers=mouse1 event3 ts1\nB: EV=7\nB: KEY=ffff0000 0 0 0 0\nB: REL=143\n


If you have a fancy mouse, the evdev driver in Ubuntu Dapper is way nicer and makes all of its buttons usable. Here's how my mouse is configured:
\nSection "InputDevice"\n        Identifier  "Configured Mouse"\n        Driver      "evdev"\n        Option      "CorePointer"\n        Option      "Name" "Logitech USB Receiver"\n        Option      "HWHEELRelativeAxisButtons" "7 6" \nEndSection\n
That last Option swaps the direction of the horizontal scroll. The nice thing about this incantation is that my mouse device can change its /dev/ name all it wants as it gets plugged in and out, but X will still find it.

A PS/2 mouse should show up as /dev/psaux.

New Thanks, will try tomorrow
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New Thanks for the tip. And now another question:
How do you get Knoppix to see it? In booting up the Knoppix disk that Greg Folkert kindly sent to all and serial who asked for it some 3-4 years ago, it sees my mouse when it is plugged ionto a PS/2 port, but doesn't see it when it (the very same mouse) is plugged into the USB port.

What's the trick?
jb4
"So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't."
Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Expand Edited by jb4 Aug. 2, 2006, 05:41:45 PM EDT
New I think that version of Knoppix was pre-USB hotplug
[link|http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#gs4|http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#gs4]
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New i.e. upgrade your Knoppix distr, you slacker...
Does that about cover it?
jb4
"So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't."
Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
New Sounds like something's really messed up...
I like stating the obvious, you know. :-)

Have you got a Knoppix CD? If so, try it.

[link|http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Hardware_FAQ#Q:_My_PS.2F2_mouse_doesn.27t_work.21|My PS/2 Mouse Won't Work!]

There may be similar tips on diagnosing video issues too, but nothing jumps out at me immediately.

I suspect that you either have a BIOS issue or (maybe and) you have some remnants of other Linux installs that are interacting in various ways. If it works fine with Knoppix (or any other live CD like [link|http://www.mepis.org/node/1462|Mepis] - the latest version is built on Ubuntu), then that probably indicates you don't have a BIOS or hardware problem. If it doesn't run fine from a live CD, well you have some more troubleshooting to do.

Hope you get it figured out. Problems like these can be very aggravating. :-(

Good luck!

Cheers,
Scott.
New Advice
Backup data, flatten box, reinstall Ubuntu 6.06

If problems, re-post here. Current position is difficult to diagnose.


Peter
[link|http://www.no2id.net/|Don't Let The Terrorists Win]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home]
Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
[link|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall|A better terminal emulator]
New Been trying to decide how safe it would be
I'd like to flatten just the Linux partition and leave the XP stuff there, since I don't have install media for it. If I can get both OSs reading/writing the same partition again (I got the filesharing working through VMWare at one point) I'll just move /home to an XP directory.

Any particular tips/gotchas I should keep in mind so I don't bork the XP install?
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New If you want to share /home
Make it FAT32.

In XP, make sure that your free space is demonstrably free (i.e. you've deleted the partitions) by using disk manager.

Ensure that XP is set to boot from the MBR. You can force this issue by booting to the recovery console and issuing the FIXBOOT and FIXMBR commands.



Peter
[link|http://www.no2id.net/|Don't Let The Terrorists Win]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home]
Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
[link|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall|A better terminal emulator]
New I don't necessarily need to *share* home
I just need a shared place to put its contents while I rebuid the Linux install.
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New Just D/L the Ubuntu Disk and Re-install from there.
First though move anything you want to the XP partition or shared partition.

Just tell it to re-format the paritions you are currently using for Linux ONLY.

Once you do that, it'll work.

It should also find the XP installation and add it to the boot menu.
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
Freedom is not FREE.
Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0;

0 rows returned.
New I've got some (fairly) recent Ubuntu CDs
I'll use those, then just update/upgrade. Probably be less than dl-ing the whole .iso.
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New Get the entire ISO.
Much better detection and many otheer things. Please D/L the ISO.

There are some issues upgrading to Dapper from Warty, Breezy etc...

Just get the ISO. Can you do it somewhere other than home? Work? Library? etc?
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
Freedom is not FREE.
Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0;

0 rows returned.
New Pretty sure I don't have a burner at work
The security restrictions here are ... well, we put the "strict" in "restrictions". I'll call the library, see what they say.
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New I will D/L and burn for you.
Get them in the mail, tomorrow.
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
Freedom is not FREE.
Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0;

0 rows returned.
New Okay, so I have D/L'd that latest and greatest of...
KNOPPIX v5.01 EN CD only

Alternate Full Install (not LiveCD with install) with a myriad of install options.
Ubuntu v6.06 LTS
Kubuntu v6.06 LTS
Xunbuntu v6.06 LTS


Anything else again?

Maybe other Debian Derivatives?
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
Freedom is not FREE.
Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0;

0 rows returned.
New What's the diff?
I know Kubuntu is using KDE instead of the default Gnome. What's Xubuntu?

As for my preference, I still want to stay as "vanilla" as possible. Until now that's been plain ol' Debian. With Ubuntu becoming the "desktop Debian" I'll stick with that.
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
New I've found the actual best Kubuntu
is actually Ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop installed via apt.

That way you get all the goodness.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Re: What's the diff?
Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE as its desktop.
New ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #263487 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=263487|ICLRPD]
jb4
"So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't."
Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
     X hates me ______ [long, sad rant, advice sought at the end] - (drewk) - (20)
         Re: X hates me ______ [long, sad rant, advice sought at the - (StevenYap) - (4)
             Thanks, will try tomorrow -NT - (drewk)
             Thanks for the tip. And now another question: - (jb4) - (2)
                 I think that version of Knoppix was pre-USB hotplug - (drewk) - (1)
                     i.e. upgrade your Knoppix distr, you slacker... - (jb4)
         Sounds like something's really messed up... - (Another Scott)
         Advice - (pwhysall) - (12)
             Been trying to decide how safe it would be - (drewk) - (11)
                 If you want to share /home - (pwhysall) - (10)
                     I don't necessarily need to *share* home - (drewk) - (9)
                         Just D/L the Ubuntu Disk and Re-install from there. - (folkert) - (8)
                             I've got some (fairly) recent Ubuntu CDs - (drewk) - (7)
                                 Get the entire ISO. - (folkert) - (6)
                                     Pretty sure I don't have a burner at work - (drewk) - (5)
                                         I will D/L and burn for you. - (folkert) - (4)
                                             Okay, so I have D/L'd that latest and greatest of... - (folkert) - (3)
                                                 What's the diff? - (drewk) - (2)
                                                     I've found the actual best Kubuntu - (imric)
                                                     Re: What's the diff? - (StevenYap)
         ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4)

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