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New Well, yes.
But most of the time I'm in Opera (which is Qt based) or gnome-terminal (which isn't widget-heavy).

I might add that rhe rant was about the widget molasses being used in the window manager. Window Maker has it's own widget set.

Wade.
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New I'm not sure what your point is.
A whiny post on Linux Today about how a brand new feature in a piece of Free Software (GTK+ 2.8) doesn't meet a particular individual's needs is hardly the basis for a reasoned choice.

By all means reject GNOME on the basis that you don't like the way it does business, but to say "this is why I run WindowMaker" and then "yeah, I run GTK+ applications" just says to me that you're jerking your knee along with the OP in the linked post.

Yes, WM has its own toolkit. The apps you mention don't use it, so the point is moot. And anyway, window managers aren't "widget heavy". Evolution, that's "widget Heavy". GIMP is "widget heavy", but 3 buttons and a title bar doesn't constitute "widget heavy".

You should run WindowMaker because it clearly floats your boat, and that's most excellent. However, saying that you run WindowMaker because someone says that GTK+ 2.8 (which isn't a windowmanager anyway) sucks is silly and is evidence of bandwagoning.


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New Let me explain.
The GNOME developers have had a reputation for basically going their own way in what they think people want for quite some time now. The whole "we know how you want to work" mantra that thus pervades GNOME leads to missing features and an interface that doesn't work for me. That's why I run something else.

Now, it seems, from the LinuxToday article, that the GTK+ developers are doing the same thing. This is unfortunate. But it is an example of the thinking that leads me to stay away from GNOME. And *that* was my point.

Wade.
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New Blimey.
In Shock Development, Free Software Developers Write The Software They Want To Write!

Film at 11.

"Going their own way" = "writing the code they want to write, which they can, because they're writing it; you're just moving your noisehole"

Linus Torvalds: "Talk is cheap. Show me the code."

Jesus H. Christ, people are whiny fucks.

The people who write GTK+ do know better than you; that's why they're writing it and you're not. Of course, all you need to do to change that is get off your arse and do something. File bugs. Write documentation. Nag the developers until they implement your feature just to make you go away.

Why is the GTK+ development unfortunate? Should software reach a basic point of functionality and stay there?

There's nothing whatsoever stopping you picking a version of GTK+ (or, indeed, GNOME) that pleases you and sticking with it. Now, it might be more work to get hold of, and your current distro might not explicitly support it, so go make your own packages, or go run Slackware or LFS or whatever.


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     Rant about GTK 2.8+ and upcoming GNOME 2.16 - (Another Scott) - (6)
         That's the sort of reason I prefer WindowMaker. -NT - (static) - (5)
             Bet you use GTK+ applications, though. -NT - (pwhysall) - (4)
                 Well, yes. - (static) - (3)
                     I'm not sure what your point is. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                         Let me explain. - (static) - (1)
                             Blimey. - (pwhysall)

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