Look at the numbers

Post #262,062 by jake123 7/18/06 3:01:13 PM Reply	Look at the numbers Israel is doing a much better job of wasting civilians. This doesn't make Israel any better than Hezballah, just more efficient at it. In fact, it might not even do that; it would be interesting to see a dollar/death ratio on how well the two sides are doing at killing efficiency. After all, if you're trying to rein in Hezballah, the first obvious step is to take the nascent (and still weak) democracy they're parasitically exploiting and trashing the shit out of it, just to make sure that everyone realises that that new democracy can't really protect them. You should ignore the powerful neighbours that are funding and arming them (ie- Syria and Iran) to go for the Other Democracy in the region, simply because they're not yet powerful enough to police their entire country yet. After all, if you want them to police Hezballah out of existence, it's clear you should trash their airports, blockade their shipping, destroy their power infrastructure, and blow up their fuel dumps to absolutely ensure the state's complete and utter inability to deal with the problem. My view on this is that Lebanon is being used as an arena for Israel to try and deal with Iran and Syria's delusions of grandeur. As one of the few countries that actually has a democratic government, Israel being manipulated into using Lebanon for the fields of battle seems a little misguided in the long term. They should have invaded Syria instead. Oh, wait, perhaps the real problem here is that Syria would be a much more costly show of force... despite the fact that they have a lot more to do with the provocation than Lebanon's government has. Maybe the real issue here is that Lebanon is weak, and therefore easily picked on. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #262,064 by drewk 7/18/06 3:17:50 PM Reply	Parallels They should have invaded Syria instead. Oh, wait, perhaps the real problem here is that Syria would be a much more costly show of force... despite the fact that they have a lot more to do with the provocation than Lebanon's government has. Maybe the real issue here is that Lebanon is weak, and therefore easily picked on. They should have invaded Saudi Arabia \| North Korea instead. Oh, wait, perhaps the real problem here is that Saudi Arabia \| North Korea would be a much more costly show of force... despite the fact that they have a lot more to do with the provocation than Iraq's government has. Maybe the real issue here is that Iraq is weak, and therefore easily picked on. I couldn't decide if that should be Saudi Arabia or North Korea. I guess it depends on whether you're going with the "9/11 provocation" or the "WMD provocation". === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #262,066 by boxley 7/18/06 3:22:03 PM Reply	not saying they are doing the right thing but ignoring the rockets killing your people isnt going to work either. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #262,126 by bluke 7/19/06 6:06:15 AM Reply	The answer is very simple Hezbollah is firing rockets specifically and only at civilians. In addition Hezbollah like many other terrorist groups specifically hides and shoots rockets from civilian areas and therefore they are the cause of the civilian casualties. Israel is only attacking military and strategic targets and has warned the civilian population. It is Hezbollah's tactics that are causing the civilian deaths.
Post #262,152 by jake123 7/19/06 10:25:16 AM Reply	Re: The answer is very simple Hezbollah is firing rockets specifically and only at civilians. In addition Hezbollah like many other terrorist groups specifically hides and shoots rockets from civilian areas and therefore they are the cause of the civilian casualties. Israel is only attacking military and strategic targets and has warned the civilian population. It is Hezbollah's tactics that are causing the civilian deaths. We're just the triggerman, but it's really their own fault. That's why it's OK. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #262,266 by bluke 7/20/06 3:22:39 AM Reply	Are you prepared to commit suicide? The fact is that both the Palestinians and Hezbollah are shooting rockets at Israeli civilians from highly populated civilian areas. What should Israel do sit back and do nothing while missiles are raining down on Haifa, Safed, etc.?
Post #262,299 by jake123 7/20/06 2:00:56 PM Reply	No, when did I say that? I said nothing of the sort. I DID say that what Israel IS doing was wrong from an ethical perspective, and furthermore that they're really hurting their own interests anyway. Israel is doing a really great job of creating enemies where they did not formerly exist. Good going. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #262,353 by bluke 7/21/06 4:28:53 AM Reply	When they did not exist? What are you talking about? What new enemies has Israel created?
Post #262,372 by jake123 7/21/06 10:01:01 AM Reply	A whole bunch of people in Lebanon that didn't care before do very deeply now. Was the new Lebanese government your enemy before? They are now. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #262,378 by Simon_Jester 7/21/06 12:08:41 PM Reply	Jake...relax. his argument that they were all against him before hand is far more telling. (You don't need to say any more at this point. :-) )

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