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New And how does this make al-Jazeera less biased?
It couldn't have happened both ways, so which one is wrong? And why are you assuming CNN is the one that is wrong?
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Umm, Lives in Egypt, is a Sunni, has shown incredible
naivety when dealing with computer / programming / design systems.

Can't really expect him to show a razor sharp analytical side when dealing with this type of stuff either, now can you?


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New Does this really matter?
This really wasn't the key point in the post, I was mainly more interested to tell, how i perceive the news, and how I find CNN to be biased.
And I being from the middle east, I thought ppl here might find my view different and interesting :))))

Israel have been holding as much as 10,000 hostage in its prison, hibz-Allah, was to free them, so they caugh 2 soldiers to negotiate.

Some unbiased ppl, may see they got descent cause

Israel, killed as much as 27 civilian, I think they rose to 40 by now, at least 10 are kids.

Some ppl, would think twice .... i mean never try to justify this.

I dont think this is what you saw on CNN, and I find this a shame and frustrating.

And the other point was, you should watch more than one news channels to really get an unbiased view.
You pick two biased ones, but each biased differently, and the truth is usually somewhere in between.

I posted how both presented the news, I didnt wonna be biased!

But still I find CNN to be more frustrating and more biased, they actively and loudly, support israel!
And I do believe many will completly believe and trust CNN, thus I made my post, I thought maybe I can save the few who read me :)))))
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Expand Edited by systems July 13, 2006, 10:53:04 AM EDT
New CNN is not the most popular news channel in the US.
E.g. [link|http://www.digitalgamedeveloper.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=45996|Here]:

As Fox News Channel prepares for its 10th anniversary in October, the onetime upstart is now the clear market leader, with ratings that are double Cable News Network's. May 2006 marked the 53rd straight month that Fox has topped CNN in the ratings.

[...]

This year, a much slower news period, the declines have once again resumed. Average primetime audiences hit 2.85 million between December 26, 2005, and May 21, 2006, down from 2.93 million in the same period last year.

"The news networks have reached equilibrium where they can't expect the kind of audience growth they've seen in the past," said Robert Thompson, professor of television and popular culture at Syracuse University. "They have to battle it out with each other for most of their viewers. That is why you are seeing each of them pursuing very distinct programming strategies" and formats that often have more to do with targeting specific audiences than reporting the news, he said.

[...]



[link|http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6351625.html|Broadcasting Cable]:

World News Tonight, with Diane Sawyer subsituting for Charles Gibson, averaged 7.34 million viewers and a 2.1/9 in the demo. NBC's Nightly News With Brian Williams posted 7.22 million viewers and a 1.9/9. The CBS Evening News, with Harry Smith anchoring, averged 6.52 million viewers and a 1.7/8.

Due to the holiday, only Wednesday to Friday broadcasts last week were counted in the ratings for the week of July 3 to 7. News viewing is typically lighter in the summer. Even so, with new anchor Gibson, ABC has been gaining on its main competitor, Nightly News. For the last week in June, for example, ABC and NBC tied in the demo, although Nightly News attracted a larger audience. ABC has now been No. 1 or tied NBC in the demo for the last four weeks.


The over-the-air network news broadcasts each have at least twice the audience of the cable news primetime shows. CNN isn't the biggest cable channel, in terms of audience, any more.

FWIW.

What's your view of the [link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5174726.stm|BBC] and [link|http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2094671,00.html|DW] and [link|http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aE.5wN1ZnkpE&refer=worldwide_news|Bloomberg] coverage?

Cheers,
Scott.
New Fox bias is much worse!
New No, you are biased.
Reasonable people would think that *neither* side has cause for violence, because violence only perpetuates violence.

Reading the CNN story again, I don't see them "actively and loudly" supporting Israel. The current story basically says:

1) Israel attacked the Beirut airport in a "sharp escalation" of its military campaign
2) Hizbollah fired rockets into Israel

There are quotes from both sides, and if anything Israel is being painted as much more aggressive. The Lebanese Interior Minister is quoted as saying the Israeli attack is a "general act of war", Abbas is quoted as saying that the attacks won't bring peace, Bush is quoted as telling the Israelis not to get too aggressive, and the Israelis are quoted basically trash talking about how severe and harsh the response is going to be.

Casualties on both sides are given, and are reported as being worse in Lebanon.

I don't see anything supporting one side or the other, so the only thing I can see that you might be complaining about is that CNN isn't directly supporting Hizbollah's position. I don't see that as biased at all.

Personally, I think both sides are off their rockers. And I read a lot more than just CNN and al-Jazeera.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I enjoy your posts although I may disagree with you
I also enjoy Aljazeera. However they CAN be no unbiased news reporting of that particular conflict.
thanx,
Bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
New Sure there can
CBC had a guy over there for some years who did a pretty good job of it. He was routinely cursed out by both the palestinian and the israeli lobbies here, which tells me he probably hit it pretty close to the mark.

He's working in Washington now.
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New FWIW, I'd be more inclined to think that CNN is biased...
than al-Jazeera.

But that's entirely cynicism about the current state of news misreporting.

Cheers,
Ben
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New That's not what I asked.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Then adjust what I said
I also am inclined to believe that CNN is more biased than al-Jazeera.

Again, this is an inclination only.

Cheers,
Ben
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New Not to be cynical...
but both "news" agencies are trying to get different audiences to watch them. If they tell them things they *REALLY* don't like, the average mouth breather will stop watching. It's my opinion that they both slant the news to accomodate their viewers mindset. It may not be entirely intentional. Tne ones selecting and often reporting the news are usually from the culture they are broadcasting to. Today Diogenes would be looking for an impartial newscaster.

My 0.02
New ICLRPD. (new thread)
Created as new thread #261640 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=261640|ICLRPD.]
New I agree with that
I just happen to also believe that US-influenced media has pretty much stopped even bothering to try for objectivity.

Cheers,
Ben
a very rich person should leave his kids enough to do anything but not enough to do nothing. -- Warren Buffett
New Even NPR?
New Pick up Armed Madhouse
Ask yourself how many of those stories ever appeared on NPR.

Yes, NPR is better than the rest. But it still isn't nearly as good as I want.

Cheers,
Ben
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New Find a Pacifica radio station.
New Point
a very rich person should leave his kids enough to do anything but not enough to do nothing. -- Warren Buffett
New CNN says Israel is fighting a 2 front war
war? only one side has a military

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New you mean they are shooting rockets at themselves?
how odd.
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
New Really?
Hesbollah has no military? That's a surprise.

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     Isreal forces move into Lebanon - (JayMehaffey) - (84)
         this action was predicted a week ago - (boxley)
         Re: Isreal forces move into Lebanon - (systems) - (81)
             And how does this make al-Jazeera less biased? - (admin) - (20)
                 Umm, Lives in Egypt, is a Sunni, has shown incredible - (broomberg)
                 Does this really matter? - (systems) - (5)
                     CNN is not the most popular news channel in the US. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                         Fox bias is much worse! -NT - (ChrisR)
                     No, you are biased. - (admin)
                     I enjoy your posts although I may disagree with you - (boxley) - (1)
                         Sure there can - (jake123)
                 FWIW, I'd be more inclined to think that CNN is biased... - (ben_tilly) - (12)
                     That's not what I asked. -NT - (admin) - (8)
                         Then adjust what I said - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                             Not to be cynical... - (hnick) - (6)
                                 ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott)
                                 I agree with that - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                     Even NPR? -NT - (broomberg) - (3)
                                         Pick up Armed Madhouse - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                             Find a Pacifica radio station. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                 Point -NT - (ben_tilly)
                     CNN says Israel is fighting a 2 front war - (andread) - (2)
                         you mean they are shooting rockets at themselves? - (boxley)
                         Really? - (Arkadiy)
             I know some Israelis who... - (andread)
             Hezbollah was hitting Israel with rockets starting Wed - (Arkadiy) - (55)
                 Problems with that - (drewk) - (2)
                     Real chem/bio weapons are really bad - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                         They are as deadly as nukes - (ben_tilly)
                 How would Israel know when they won? - (Another Scott) - (3)
                     Re: How would Israel know when they won? - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                         War on Hesbollah - (ChrisR) - (1)
                             Now that I had a few days to - (Arkadiy)
                 If there can be no winner? - (ChrisR) - (45)
                     Israel's aim is the following - (bluke) - (2)
                         Messages via force are rather hard to control - (ChrisR)
                         Won't work - (broomberg)
                     This is exactly why standard approach is misguided - (bluke) - (41)
                         I agree with the assessment of the problem. - (ChrisR) - (38)
                             What would you suggest? - (bluke) - (29)
                                 Disagree. - (Another Scott) - (28)
                                     You have to understand the reasons here - (bluke) - (27)
                                         They're hardly comparable situations. - (Another Scott) - (26)
                                             In addition, - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                 Re: In addition, - (bluke)
                                                 No thats not the fact - (bepatient)
                                             That is easy for you to say - (bluke) - (22)
                                                 Where are people actually dying from this? - (jake123) - (21)
                                                     so no deaths in Israel, whatju smokin? -NT - (boxley) - (10)
                                                         Look at the numbers - (jake123) - (9)
                                                             Parallels - (drewk)
                                                             not saying they are doing the right thing but ignoring the - (boxley)
                                                             The answer is very simple - (bluke) - (6)
                                                                 Re: The answer is very simple - (jake123) - (5)
                                                                     Are you prepared to commit suicide? - (bluke) - (4)
                                                                         No, when did I say that? - (jake123) - (3)
                                                                             When they did not exist? - (bluke) - (2)
                                                                                 A whole bunch of people in Lebanon that didn't care before - (jake123) - (1)
                                                                                     Jake...relax. - (Simon_Jester)
                                                     Are you blind deaf and dumb? - (bluke) - (9)
                                                         How many civilians has Israel killed in the last fifty years - (jake123) - (8)
                                                             how many civilians has Canada killed in the last 50 years - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                 Nice red herring box - (jake123) - (2)
                                                                     April 28th 2006 is HISTORY? WTF - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                         Not resolving here - (jake123)
                                                             What does that have to do with anything? - (bluke) - (2)
                                                                 You severely underestimate Hezbollah's goals. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                     You are right about Hezbollah goals - (bluke)
                                                             Proportion and number of civilian deaths - (bluke)
                             Israel must be allowed to defend itself.... - (Simon_Jester) - (7)
                                 What are you trying to say? - (bluke) - (6)
                                     Please do not define - (Simon_Jester) - (2)
                                         You can say that about half the countries in the world - (bluke) - (1)
                                             Great, we're in agreement. -NT - (Simon_Jester)
                                     Here's a theory for you - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                         you been reading harryharrison again? Pyrrus comes to mind -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                             Nope, Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse. Recommended. - (ben_tilly)
                         Step 1 would be to stop undermining them - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                             Not really - (bluke)
                 Re: Hezbollah was hitting Israel with rockets starting Wed - (systems) - (1)
                     Hard to say where the detailed truth lies. - (hnick)
             Note that CNN is currently showing... - (admin) - (2)
                 not with a favorable caption, I wot. -NT - (bepatient) - (1)
                     Favorable to whom? - (admin)
         Victory process, not peace process, needed in Middle East - (bluke)

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