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Post #261,423 by ben_tilly 7/12/06 3:39:10 PM Reply	It does I find that working in an MVC framework that I'll spend lots of time fighting the framework for one item, and curse it. Then I'll do a dozen things and realize, "You know, that was easy." The framework certainly channels you into working its way. When you can do that, it pays off big. When you can't, it is a real pain. It pays off more often than not, so is a net win. Cheers, Ben a very rich person should leave his kids enough to do anything but not enough to do nothing. -- Warren Buffett
Post #261,426 by drewk 7/12/06 3:59:39 PM Reply	That's the problem with "Hello World" examples It's so much process to do a simple thing, it's painful to use. I finally gave up on the idea of learning it in isolation. If I go somewhere that uses it, and I have to care about it, I'll learn it then. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #261,429 by ben_tilly 7/12/06 5:04:48 PM Reply	That is probably the way to do it a very rich person should leave his kids enough to do anything but not enough to do nothing. -- Warren Buffett

One for Todd: Java Enterprise Edition to be dead in 5 years. - (Another Scott) - (14) - July 12, 2006, 09:56:15 AM EDT

It's already dead. - (admin) - (2) - July 12, 2006, 10:36:15 AM EDT

They have said that about OS/2 for years. - (folkert) - (1) - July 12, 2006, 02:08:54 PM EDT

'They' say it about everything except Windows. -NT - (imric) - July 12, 2006, 02:35:57 PM EDT

Unless RMI gets fixed - (warmachine) - (10) - July 12, 2006, 01:39:11 PM EDT

If you don't see what's complex about it... - (admin) - (1) - July 12, 2006, 02:01:26 PM EDT

That's a great way to put it. -NT - (folkert) - July 12, 2006, 02:09:51 PM EDT

Web Services - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - July 12, 2006, 02:40:20 PM EDT

J2EE already has web services - (warmachine) - July 12, 2006, 04:17:15 PM EDT

Does it really? - (drewk) - (5) - July 12, 2006, 03:04:22 PM EDT

It does - (ben_tilly) - (2) - July 12, 2006, 03:39:10 PM EDT

That's the problem with "Hello World" examples - (drewk) - (1) - July 12, 2006, 03:59:39 PM EDT

That is probably the way to do it -NT - (ben_tilly) - July 12, 2006, 05:04:48 PM EDT

"Half the code" isn't the issue. - (admin) - (1) - July 12, 2006, 03:44:59 PM EDT

What he said -NT - (warmachine) - July 12, 2006, 03:53:55 PM EDT

And so on, and so forth.
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