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New Key thing to note from that posting
WinFS has long been regarded by Microsoft-haters as vaporware.
He's clearly implying that the people calling it vaporware were only doing so because they were Microsoft haters. "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while," and all that. It doesn't even occur to him that maybe those people saying it was vapor were right, and had good reasons to believe what they said.
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New It was pretty thick vapor for a while
There was a beta 1 with the major features present in some form except for any real UI integration and server side support.

Beta 2 was showing at a conference a few weeks ago and was going to ship there or shortly after, before they decided to wave their hand through it.
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New Wasn't that the criticism to begin with?
There was a beta 1 with the major features present in some form except for any real UI integration and server side support.
I may be retroactively misremembering what people were saying one or two years ago, but I'm fairly sure the lack of a useful UI was one of the big problems. Just like the guy said in the post at the top of this thread, there's no way Grandma was ever going to learn how to write natural language queries. If you can't figure out how users will do that, you're not solving the problem.

So the problem you want to solve is people can't find things efficiently on increasingly-large hard drives. You come up with a solution that involves changing how things are stored and retrieved. Then you don't come up with a usable interface for people to interact with this new file system. Did anyone on that project have the end user's interests in mind?
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New Well, End Users. Yes they did.
IN fact that is where it finally ended up. In MS SQL and ADO.NET

I remember a comic that had Thomas Edison in it. He was improving the phonograph he invented. But on the wall was some fancy "Stereo Equipment of the 90's". A colleague came and asked what that was "over there". Edison's reply was something like, "Oh that's the prototype, but we can't let the incremental upgrade market goto waste."

Blah. I wish I could find it.
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Freedom is not FREE.
Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
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New So you think 'file search' was MS's WMDs?
Sounds like you're saying they wanted a reason to write a new file-system that made SQL Server more efficient. But doing that would piss off the rest of the software industry, and would (correctly) be seen as leveraging their OS monopoly to extend an advantage into the database sector, in which they have real competition. So they instead put forth the explanation that they were trying to help people keep track of content on their huge new disks, knowing from the start that there was no way it could ever work for that.

Was that what you were getting at, or did I just make up my own conspiracy theory?
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New Spot on.
I've got to stop giving out to much info... you got it in one shot.

Either that, or you are finally seeing things the way I see them.

Scary either way.
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Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
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     WinFS is Dead - (bluke) - (10)
         I'm surprised they killed it - (JayMehaffey) - (3)
             Supposedly UI problems did it in. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                 How butt-stoopud *are* these people? - (jb4) - (1)
                     You're foaming at the mouth. -NT - (pwhysall)
         Key thing to note from that posting - (drewk) - (5)
             It was pretty thick vapor for a while - (altmann) - (4)
                 Wasn't that the criticism to begin with? - (drewk) - (3)
                     Well, End Users. Yes they did. - (folkert) - (2)
                         So you think 'file search' was MS's WMDs? - (drewk) - (1)
                             Spot on. - (folkert)

One of them has appalling taste in home decor, but if this is symptomatic of brain damage I submit that long-term exposure to the cultural vacuum of the San Fernando Valley is at least as plausible a proximate cause.
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