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I used to work in F/77. For certain domains it is the right tool for the job. There are some wonderfully mature math libs written in it. Great stuff. Libraries - you know - components - tested, mature, solid, verified.

And yet - some years ago - Raytheon's Satellite management division ported all of their nice stable bullet proof tested F/77 libs to C++. Because that's the new thing don'tcha know. Never mind that you can just LINK to and CALL F/77 from C/C++. A useful property we used to have pre-C++ was library interoperability. Of course, that went the way of dodo with name mangling. The C++ versions run more slowly too.

Which really goes to prove my point on the fashion thing. When asked to select the right tool for a given job, 99.9999% of programmers will answer Mooooooo as their herd instinct kicks in.

I figured I'd point out the point given that point spotting has achieved Mr Magoo levels on this board. Thanks for the absolutely uninspiring exchanges all, I won't trouble you again.



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Collapse Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:49 AM EDT
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I used to work in F/77. For certain domains it is the right tool for the job. There are some wonderfully mature math libs written in it. Great stuff. Libraries - you know - components - tested, mature, solid, verified.

And yet - some years ago - Raytheon's Satellite management division ported all of their nice stable bullet proof tested F/77 libs to C++. Because that's the new thing don'tcha know. Never mind that you can just LINK to and CALL F/77 from C/C++. A useful property we used to have pre-C++ was library interoperability. Of course, that went the way of dodo with name mangling. The C++ versions run more slowly too.

Which really goes to prove my point on the fashion thing. When asked to select the right tool for a given job, 99.9999% of programmers will answer Mooooooo as their herd instinct kicks in.

I figured I'd point out the point given that point spotting has achieved Mr Magoo levels on this board. Thanks for the absolutely uninspiring exchanges all, I won't trouble you again.



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New Don't leave.
Even when I don't agree with you, I usually enjoy your contributions.

Don't let the barbs get to you. This place would be very much less interesting if it was a mutual admiration society. Feel free to give as good as you get. :-)

Come back when you can.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Oh stop.
I dont have a clue what you guys are talking about with all this programming gibberish (it all sounds like blah blah blah to me) but I do know you're brillant, have strong opinions, and are very passionate and very good at what you do. Pull your nose back in joint. This place needs you around. And when I say this place, I of course, mean me. Dont bail, Todd.
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You're being an oversensitive prima donna and all because some people dare to disagree with you.


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     Interesting Article on Software Engineering - (tuberculosis) - (48)
         off the cuff without reading the article - (boxley) - (17)
             Same as it ever was - (drewk) - (16)
                 He doesn't mention language at all - (tuberculosis) - (15)
                     Everything always looks better from the outside - (tonytib) - (1)
                         Hardware design is getting to look a lot like... - (ChrisR)
                     I was replying to Bill's comment, not really to the article - (drewk) - (12)
                         I know where he is going with that - (boxley) - (4)
                             I know the authors of dabbledb - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                 Note that the h/w folks Savain loves don't love schematics - (tonytib) - (2)
                                     Does noone use circuit simulators? -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                         Circuit simulators are no silver bullet, esp for Analog -NT - (tonytib)
                         And another thing... - (jb4) - (4)
                             He's talking about the "90%" of programming. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                 I'm considerably more skeptical about components - (tonytib) - (2)
                                     Well said. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                         Well, we've already got 10^10 components... - (jb4)
                         The problem with user-built programs - (tablizer) - (1)
                             you expect anything different? - (Steve Lowe)
         The article is BS - (ben_tilly) - (28)
             I don't agree - (tuberculosis) - (26)
                 Er, what? It's 2006, dude. - (admin) - (12)
                     C++ was never about components - (tuberculosis) - (11)
                         ? in 97 useta write module compile in Borland - (boxley)
                         1994, actually. - (admin) - (9)
                             That's a side issue - (tuberculosis) - (8)
                                 Define "a few years" - (admin) - (7)
                                     No - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                                         Hey, YOU'RE the one who made the stupid assertion. - (admin)
                                         I guess... - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                             wrongly - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                                 Don't leave. - (Another Scott)
                                                 Oh stop. - (bionerd)
                                                 Wind your neck in. - (pwhysall)
                 Just for the record: - (jb4)
                 I wish components worked like that everywhere - (ben_tilly) - (11)
                     What do you mean, traditionally? - (admin) - (10)
                         I mean what they mean in their documentation - (ben_tilly) - (9)
                             That's character set, not numeric. - (admin) - (8)
                                 So we were talking past each other -NT - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                                     The example you gave was of numeric sort not working. - (admin) - (2)
                                         No, it was not of *numeric* sort not working - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                             Nevermind me, I'm tired tonight. -NT - (admin)
                                     There's a lot of that going on -NT - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                         No - (admin) - (2)
                                             Whatever - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                 Who says irony is dead? -NT - (admin)
             The problem with hardware is deeper - (tonytib)
         Good luck with that - (warmachine)

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