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I use Cox cable internet, Cox's media empire printed classifieds is one of their big revenue drivers. Guess what? If you try to access Craigslist over Cox Cable internet... its nearly impossible! It appears that they throttle access to craigslist - as a matter of fact there have been a zillion complaints but hey, who can blame Cox? They're trying to stop the opening cap in their money dam! Maybe you should investigate this tip further. Cheers
I did investigate further, I walked out of my apartment and across Alamo Square and popped in on Jim Buckmaster, the CEO of Craigslist. Jim was just getting back from work and I spoke with Susan Best, publicist for Craigslist. Susan said they have known about the problem with Cox.

Jim soon arrived and said the problem of access had been going on since late February. It had something to do with the security software that Cox isusing from a company called Authentium.

Cox has been collaborating with Authentium since April 2005 to develop the security software suite.

Back on February 23rd Authentium acknowledged that their software is blocking Craigslist but it still hasn't fixed the problem, more than three months later. That's a heck of long time to delete some text from their blacklist. And this company also supplies security software to other large ISPs.

Craigslist has approached Authentium several times to get it to stop blocking access by Cox internet users but it has been unresponsive. Jim wasn't aware that Cox had its own classified ads service. "That changes things, " he said.

This situation does not look good in the context of the net neutrality debate. This is exactly the kind of scenario that many people are concerned about, that the cable companies and the telcos will make it difficult for their internet users to access competing services.
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Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 05:46:41 AM EDT
New I've never had a problem getting Criag's List from Cox.
But I don't use Cox's [link|http://forums.craigslist.org/?ID=39241124|Security Suite] though. Cox claims Craig's List sends some [link|http://support.cox.com/sdcxuser/asp/cox_main.asp|nonstandard packets] (Click on the "Cox Security Suite and Craig's List" link. Man I hate redirected .asp URLs...) that the firewall software doesn't like. They're working on a fix and have a beta available.

I don't believe that most ISPs intentionally block legal competitive products and services. I think this is just another example of the side effects of using "protection software". Just like [link|http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,43576,00.html|this]:

AOL had previously contracted with SurfControl to operate its parental controls. While RuleSpace's system will be mostly automated, SurfControl's SurfWatch -- like many filtering products -- relied on human editors to make the final call on which sites should get blocked.

Automated and manual types of analysis both have drawbacks. A team of editors can only review a tiny fraction of the seven million new websites added to the Web every day. But automated filters have become notorious among civil libertarians for "over-blocking" sites based on just one blacklisted keyword. For example, the ACLU likes to point out that conservative Congressman Dick Armey's website is blocked by a popular filter.


The way to avoid these problems is to not use filtering software like this.

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New wont reply online except to state that
the company in question is NOT, repeat NOT! intentionally blocking that site, it is a 3rd party issue. Collaberating is too strong a word.
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
     Net Neutrality amendment defeated in US House. Good/Bad? - (Another Scott) - (27)
         I thought the beef was network owner provided services... - (scoenye)
         I posted about this awhile back but never got any feedback - (imqwerky) - (3)
             The forum was fine. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                 Generally, I don't post such things - (imqwerky) - (1)
                     :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
         Here is the issue as I understand it - (ben_tilly) - (13)
             Think about the leverage of TW/AOL and their ability - (bepatient) - (12)
                 It'll be dead dead dead in the US - (jake123) - (1)
                     Can be dead dead dead here soon as more people do DNS - (drewk)
                 I've thought about it - (ben_tilly)
                 They'll try...and fail. - (Simon_Jester) - (8)
                     Nice dream - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                         There is a risk there.... - (Simon_Jester) - (4)
                             Last mile can be overcome - (bepatient) - (3)
                                 Indian Guy from Atlanta? -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                     Nope..he's from upstate NY. - (bepatient) - (1)
                                         must be an Industry of their own then - (boxley)
                     That's some powerful stuff you're smok'n there! - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                         See, that's why we have the CRTC up here - (jake123)
         Bad -NT - (tuberculosis)
         putting on my provider hat here - (boxley) - (4)
             Interesting. Thanks for your comments. -NT - (Another Scott)
             Other side of the coin - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                 I've never had a problem getting Criag's List from Cox. - (Another Scott)
                 wont reply online except to state that - (boxley)
         6/12/2006 Washington Post Editorial. - (Another Scott)
         Richard Bennett interview at The Reg. - (Another Scott)

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