'The Judgement of Paris' repeat at 30 years.

Post #257,282 by Andrew Grygus 5/31/06 1:06:01 PM Reply	'The Judgement of Paris' repeat at 30 years. The informal wine tasting that stunned the French when California wines proved competitive with France's best has been repeated with the same wines of the same vintages - amid questions as to whether the Californians could take that much age. Once again the California wines stunned the French by taking the top 5 spots - a significantly better showing than in the original tasting. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #257,283 by drewk 5/31/06 2:42:36 PM Reply	Do you think they really believed that? ... amid questions as to whether the Californians could take that much age. <accent class="french">Zey may be ferry nahs today, but zey cannot stahnd ze test off tahm.</accent> Is it too ironic to say this sounds like sour grapes? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #257,285 by admin 5/31/06 3:00:14 PM Reply	Link? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #257,289 by drewk 5/31/06 3:18:10 PM Reply	Here [link\|http://www.vinography.com/archives/2006/05/the_rejudgement_of_paris_resul.html\|http://www.vinograph..._paris_resul.html] === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #257,288 by bepatient 5/31/06 3:17:01 PM Reply	While they may appear initially stunned... ...it will not take them long to remind the judges that the vines were imported from France ... so it really is french wine. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #257,293 by Silverlock 5/31/06 3:43:07 PM 5/31/06 3:43:59 PM Reply	And where did they get 'em from? [link\|http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2006-05-29-tut-white-wine_x.htm\|Egypt?] ----------------------------------------- Impeach Bush. Impeach Cheney. Do it now. Edited by Silverlock May 31, 2006, 03:43:59 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #257,295 by tonytib 5/31/06 3:52:51 PM Reply	But the French wines are really American since the French vineyards were destroyed by phylloxera in the 19th century and replanted with American rootstock. --Tony
Post #257,300 by bepatient 5/31/06 4:33:44 PM Reply	its a chicken, egg thing. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #257,335 by Andrew Grygus 5/31/06 8:19:29 PM Reply	Oui, but the soil, mon cheri, the soil . . . . . she is California, not France! Actually, pure European vines were grown in California long after French vines were all grafted to American rootstock. I don't know if any plantings here are still pure French though. But anyway, the French have always told us we cannot duplicate their wines because we do not have their soil. Apparently duplication is not required. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #257,349 by tuberculosis 5/31/06 10:25:58 PM 5/31/06 10:28:07 PM Reply	Limit the selection to bottles less than $4 and France will wipe the street with CA growers. CA wines are decent quality, but priced much too high for daily consumption. Most US wines below $4 per bottle are pretty much undrinkable rotgut where France has a good selection of table wines in the budget category that are quite drinkable. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis May 31, 2006, 10:28:07 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #257,353 by Andrew Grygus 5/31/06 10:39:39 PM Reply	Hmmm . . . that's odd. Here I thought I was finding some pretty drinkable California wines at $2.99 to $3.99 (though some times I do splurge and buy a $4.99 bottle). Maybe I've been looking in the wrong places. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #257,359 by tuberculosis 5/31/06 11:01:34 PM Reply	Perhaps they don't export those? Because every bottle I've gotten at those prices was demoted to rust removal shortly after uncapping. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #257,369 by Andrew Grygus 5/31/06 11:22:45 PM Reply	Now there you may have a point. Why undercut your own more profitable products? Particularly when you have no problem selling all the lower priced stuff in the local market. I do consider California wines overpriced because I have to go to $4.99 to get a really wide selection. There is some pricing pressure coming from Australian imports but that's still mostly at the $4.99 level and up. On the other hand, the French are having such a hard time selling their wines they've been petitioning the government to allow even some of the better ones to be distilled into industrial alcohol. It's no wonder you can get some sound wines cheap. If the French figured out how to market their surplus over here you'd see some significant price pressure on California products. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #257,521 by static 6/2/06 1:13:36 AM Reply	Aussie wines are proliferating. Everytime you turn around there seems to be a new wine region opened up. Of course, that's a problem when the vast majority of them are not stocked by most cellars. My wife and I have been slowing collecting really good wines* from winerys; I've never seen any of them for sale in wine cellars. A friend happened to find one for my wife's birthday last year (we normally get it cleanskin from the winery in SA through a friend) -- I have no idea how. Wade. * Our top selections are:- Red: Hazelgrove and Hazelgrove Limelight from Maclauren Vale in SA. White: High Valley 2000 from Mudgee in NSW. "Insert crowbar. Apply force."
Post #257,436 by tonytib 6/1/06 11:56:33 AM Reply	Try your local Trader Joe's-they might get the good CA stuff
Post #257,437 by Andrew Grygus 6/1/06 12:21:39 PM Reply	Well, they do have . . . . . the Purple Moon shiraz that's been mentioned here ($3.49). Of course they're selling huge amounts of "Two Buck Chuck" but I don't care much for those, even for cooking - I use the $2.99 J.W.Morris wines for that. I've accounted for quite a few bottles of Crane Lake petit sirah at $2.99 but Trader Joe doesn't carry that line. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]

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