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New Avoid A-B; PLC has good and bad sides
We've used A-B, Panasonic, Automation Direct, Omron, and Siemens PLC's.

The PLC approach does have its advantages. They are industrial quality, with various input (24VDC, 120VAC, analog in, etc) and output (24V, relay, analog out, etc) options, while the C-programmable stuff is typically bare boards with TTL (5V) inputs and outputs. If you need 4-20mA, you'll have to check that the PLC has an option for it.

Some do have built-in PID; we've done PID temperature control. If you want to do PID, make sure it's built in.

Older PLC's are programmed solely in ladder logic, which is a fine fit for combinatorial logic ("when these inputs are in this state, do this"), but sucks for everything else (e.g. sequence of actions). Newer PLC's support the IEC61131 standard, which supports five langagues: ladder, function block (ladder written with AND/OR instead of wires), structured text (our favorite; a mix between Basic and Pascal), flow chart, and ladder assembly.

PLC's are horrible for any kind of data handling, so if you do use them, that recommended approach (use PLC as PID controller, don't do NMEA conversion) makes sense.

The price will be higher, and you'll have to pay for programming tools (A-B's are very pricey, and have copy protection; Siemens, Aromat, Automation Direct are more reasonable) or know someone who has them.

Some companies have starter deals which include a PLC and software. Aromat has run specials on PLC's and Operator Interfaces occasionally. Siemens runs them often (including both PLC and Operator Interface); you will need to contact your local distributor.

I recommend looking at [link|http://www.sea.siemens.com/automat/product/plc/auov.html|Siemens], [link|http://www.nais-e.com/plc/|Panasonic], and [link|http://www.automationdirect.com|Automation Direct] PLC's. Automation Direct has all their pricing on line, and it's competitive. (A-B does has on-line pricing, too, if you register, but it's quite high, even after a 30% discount). Then you can use resources such ebay and [link|http://www.plccenter.com|PLC Center] to see if you can get surplus or used equipment at much better prices.

--Tony
New Maybe you could barter
an improved web site for PLC Center for some of their surplus stuff. Check out their "advanced search" web page, takes forever to load - I think because they're loading a whole long list of all the possible companies to search for.

--Tony
     Hardware hacking tips requested - tonytib? - (tuberculosis) - (23)
         IANTT - (Another Scott) - (16)
             No - nothing off the rack works - (tuberculosis) - (15)
                 Variation on IANK - (Another Scott) - (9)
                     No hydraulics - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                         Good points. - (Another Scott)
                     Here we go: http://www.seattlerobotics.org/ - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                         That's probably a good resource - (tonytib) - (5)
                             I'm happy with C and more familiar with fuzzy methods - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                                 Many different approaches - (tonytib) - (3)
                                     I've gotten a few good ideas - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                         Avoid A-B; PLC has good and bad sides - (tonytib) - (1)
                                             Maybe you could barter - (tonytib)
                 Prolly a dumb question, but... - (jb4) - (4)
                     This is for motoring only - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                         I see...thanx for the visuals - (jb4) - (2)
                             No, when was the fire? -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                 last couple of days... - (jb4)
         bah, new fangled things, whatever happened to lashing it? -NT - (boxley) - (5)
             Tends to drift off course after a few minutes when motoring - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                 under power eh? let me get back to you -NT - (boxley)
                 What kind of electrical power do you have to run this? - (boxley) - (2)
                     12VDC -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                         add $40 for a decent transformer -NT - (boxley)

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