On "real security weenies"...

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Post #254,508 by inthane-chan 5/5/06 10:56:58 AM Reply	On "real security weenies"... Yeah, there is no such thing as a secure computer. I know, I know... When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your* security they're talking about.*
Post #254,511 by ben_tilly 5/5/06 11:11:08 AM Reply	But some are better than others Capability based systems like, say, the AS 400 have a fundamentally better security model than any user access scheme. (Which both ACLs and the Unix model are.) Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #254,606 by pwhysall 5/6/06 5:10:47 AM Reply	Awooga! Pedant alert! The AS/400 is the computer, and you can run Linux on that if you like. You're referring to OS/400. I now return you to your regular programme. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #254,625 by boxley 5/6/06 10:49:59 AM Reply	except for the giant gapers in it, ask skip offline Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #254,757 by ben_tilly 5/8/06 11:18:55 AM Reply	Will do but... the point was that the model was better, not necessarily the implementation. Similarly the model of ACLs has a lot of advantages over traditional Unix permissions, however that doesn't make Windows more secure. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

ACLs versus UNIX User:Group security? - (inthane-chan) - (14) - May 4, 2006, 04:48:59 PM EDT

if you mean access lists (ACL) you need both - (boxley) - May 4, 2006, 06:28:36 PM EDT

Remember, complex does not mean secure - (ben_tilly) - (9) - May 4, 2006, 07:11:27 PM EDT

Besides which, I am under the impression - (jake123) - (3) - May 4, 2006, 09:46:47 PM EDT

My impression contradicts that -NT - (ben_tilly) - May 5, 2006, 02:23:11 AM EDT

Nah. - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 5, 2006, 02:47:08 AM EDT

Bolt-on? How so? - (folkert) - May 5, 2006, 09:46:35 AM EDT

On "real security weenies"... - (inthane-chan) - (4) - May 5, 2006, 10:56:58 AM EDT

But some are better than others - (ben_tilly) - (3) - May 5, 2006, 11:11:08 AM EDT

Awooga! Pedant alert! - (pwhysall) - May 6, 2006, 05:10:47 AM EDT

except for the giant gapers in it, ask skip offline -NT - (boxley) - (1) - May 6, 2006, 10:49:59 AM EDT

Will do but... - (ben_tilly) - May 8, 2006, 11:18:55 AM EDT

Linux has both. - (broomberg) - May 4, 2006, 10:16:06 PM EDT

UNIX has ACLs. - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 5, 2006, 01:58:36 AM EDT

see my "Bolt on? How so?" post. -NT - (folkert) - May 5, 2006, 09:47:57 AM EDT

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