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New Ex Pee; the final query on this monstrous toy-OS
It sucks so hard - this project's almost 'fun' .. Base-Pressure must be about 5mm Hg.

OK, I gather that hardly anyone here (any one ??) actually Uses this abomination - not even at work, despite what the proles have to eat. What a few do, like Andrew - is bug-hunts appropriate to the perceived value of someone's endangered data. Then wash hands.

Maybe no one has even tried to methodically, duck-tape the holes, select out just-the-OS patches, nuke the plethora of Guest-related wide-open doors .?. in the STUPID AD-oriented (active dir.) config these mindless-oems actually peddle to the unwashed.

Lucky. You.


[To date / Boring same-old]
We've about assembled a 'SP3' collection of patches, hopefully all post-SP-2, mainly security-related as in, "presence of the common word, vulnerability." Ditto a checklist for the clever internal ways of masquerading as renamed 'Guest' amidst the confoundingly random-titled permissions menus: find that that's a frequent entry mechanism. Finally -- the sneaky Oz-built Process Guard, {as inhabits Ring-0 cha cha.} Add-ons: the usual assortment of watchers-After-the fact of invasion.

(Redmond, so-akin those other conmen in the news, seems to imagine that if they label enough disjointed menus 'Security' or 'Management' - it will look like it wasn't tacked-on the night before CD-pressing. They're RunningOutOf run-on words, though.)

The Beast also proudly announced that they aren't doing Roll-ups anymore for XP, doubtless for our comfort and security. But.. any bizness obv needs to do precisely this, on purchase of 1 or 100 new boxes, any old day. Even to burn images: the first one has to be fixed.

Where do You get that Rollup? Create it patch-by-patch, as we are? Is THAT how bizness wastes IT talent?? YPB. Whatever.. I now don't expect to find a script re All Those User Permissions -- not one that isn't biz-oriented; all about n+50 Groups, sub-groups, on up to fscking A.D.

The greatest time waster since Tee Vee. Tedium, menu-by-menu -- in the way that only Billy-speak can grate: first obfuscate, not-quite describe a function's consequences - all while condescending - in that sing-song Gatespeak; it's everywhere inside. He'd best pay his guard squadron well.

If it eats-self in 3 mos on neighbor's hi-speed - she'll just have to do 98SE too + dual-boot a *nix, to complement the Apple. Can't toss a 6 mo-old notebook.


But it'd be kinda fun, at that same warped juvenile-'fun' level where Billy lives - to see if we just might manage to keep this POS afloat sans RRR, for say Six Months?

New Well, there are in-lining (integrating) tools available
Something that allows you to have all patches and such in the installation media. Iffn you want to go there.

I have been using [link|http://www.nliteos.com/index.html|nLite] It has a myriad of function and can in-line al Windows related patches (including making IE not installed at all)

I have it so that I can make a new machine in 30 minutes rather than 3 days starting @ WindowsXP first release.

There is another piece that I am still working on that is an unattended installation of everything I need on the Machine including Windows, an Office suite, a (proper) Browser and (really good) E-Mail client, etc... etc...

I am using [link|http://unattended.sourceforge.net/|Unattended], it actually works. Better than Microsoft's SMS (any version of it) plus it is Free and free.
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New Nirvana
well, the lesser transistorized-level anyway.

Thanks much, Greg - not only al-punte, but maybe all the way to a vetted, patched bootable! Image -- which I considered several stages down the pike!

Finding out (now) the drill from n-Lite (clearly akin to XP-Lite; 98-lite folk.) I expect it will become clear whether I must.. install the .NET framework thing from Beast, or can use their alternate.

Particularly copacetic appears to be the 'Windiz' site (UK), linked from n-Lite.
Are you using their patch triage via a F-Fox plug-in, or your own criteria, d/l-ing initially, direct from the Beast..?

Thus far I gather that Windiz [UK!! - sue 'em Over There, Bally; if you Can..] actually wade through the same stuff we've sloshed - selecting out actually relevant patches / omitting all aimed at modules we won't be installing (OE, IE, 'Messenger' and the like).

Seems necessary to be on hi-speed with actual target machine - as Windiz does an inventory on the O/S's patch state via their plug-in. Seems we can defer patch-install, so that all building is done off-line.

Whatever the criteria of Windiz - nothing to lose. I have only nominal confidence in my triage anyway; the very Titles are often misleading - especially re a patch's redundancy, with SP-2 installed. (And the prole auto-patch thing would drop in some IE or OE build in a trice, with no-asking.)


Love the built-in bootable-image button; looks as if one can do [what, apparently - you most often do with 'installs'?] -- pain&suffering only Once. Test, refine, burn - later, wipe/ re-image.. when the Registry suicides.

That's what I'd hoped to arrive at, eventually.


Mondiferous Appreciations,
I/us


Now, were there only a Group-free lock-down script extant; just a renamed-Admin + one minimal-access User == full automation.

New Re: Ex Pee; the final query on this monstrous toy-OS
Here's what I do at work

Install XP without connecting to network
after SP2 is installed go on the network to grab AV and whatever apps are needed

no real problems

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New }:-)> --- [#] --- [M$]
[#] = NAT Firewall/"Residential Gateway". Been using Windows behind one (or a Linux box for a while) for over 7 years on broadband without incident. Been on this Windows XP install for 2.5 years.
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New Re: }:-)> --- [#] --- [M$]
That's more a tribute to your care with Web browsing and email reading than it is to the gateway. I insist on a gateway router for every client who has broadband (all of them) telling them it's a cheap and extremely effective defense against the fastest spreading attacks.

Alas, many attacks presume the gateway and work from the inside. Against these the gateway is like using a condom to prevent bird flu.

Nothing is as effective as a careful user, but we can't get that.

[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Thanks - one actual XP 'user' on IWE, anyway
Sounds a bit like my extraordinary luck with 98-lite; 4.8 years no-RRR and counting.
I browse carefully, too (and on dial-up .. fewer Dragons.)


You must have turned-off Lots, too.. I'm betting.

Thanks,

Ashton

New Make that 1 1/2
My wife uses Xtra Pain also. But she's not on here. And I'll fess up to using W2K.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
New And perhaps more.
The laptop I share with my wife is XP and I'm using it to post this.

My 3 desktops are now all Linux. Bye, bye to WinMe!
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
New Another by proxy.
My wife has XP on her laptop, which I use occasionally, mostly to troubleshoot things. I used to have an XP desktop at work, but since I'm in IT and don't need XP for any corporate reasons*, I re-installed it as Linux.

Wade.

* Well, I've a QEMU session so I can test IE.
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
New And another half.
XP boxes at work (Putty to the real boxen), W2K at home (so far; we'll see what I get next).


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
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New And I'm the other half......erm.....
that is...I match CRC's half......er...I have the other half of what CRC's half is....uhhh...Fuck! I have the same setup as CRC has, OK?!?
jb4
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Expand Edited by jb4 April 3, 2006, 01:09:10 PM EDT
New Well, iffn I have to count the computer the company provides
add another icks pee to the count.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
New I use XP at work...
...where it's someone else's problem.

Can't say it's a particularly pleasant experience.

At home, it's just a giant DirectX/OpenGL driver, so I don't really experience any problems with it. (Apart from the fact that the UI is a sack of shite, of course, but if all I do is start The All-Seeing Eye and play CS:S, there's not much to interact with)


Peter
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New That's why the XP instance in my duel-boot box is named ...
ScannerDriver
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New "duel-boot"? Footwear good for pistols at dawn, or what...?
New In a duel with single shot pistols,...
it is good to have a Derringer in your boot for the situation where you missed with your first shot and are still alive to try again. :)
Alex

When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
     Ex Pee; the final query on this monstrous toy-OS - (Ashton) - (16)
         Well, there are in-lining (integrating) tools available - (folkert) - (1)
             Nirvana - (Ashton)
         Re: Ex Pee; the final query on this monstrous toy-OS - (andread) - (13)
             }:-)> --- [#] --- [M$] - (altmann) - (12)
                 Re: }:-)> --- [#] --- [M$] - (Andrew Grygus)
                 Thanks - one actual XP 'user' on IWE, anyway - (Ashton) - (10)
                     Make that 1 1/2 - (jbrabeck) - (5)
                         And perhaps more. - (a6l6e6x)
                         Another by proxy. - (static)
                         And another half. - (CRConrad) - (2)
                             And I'm the other half......erm..... - (jb4) - (1)
                                 Well, iffn I have to count the computer the company provides - (jbrabeck)
                     I use XP at work... - (pwhysall) - (3)
                         That's why the XP instance in my duel-boot box is named ... - (drewk) - (2)
                             "duel-boot"? Footwear good for pistols at dawn, or what...? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                 In a duel with single shot pistols,... - (a6l6e6x)

And if I'm just going for effect, I might as well wear a tie. And pants.
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