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New Like I said, this (datagrids) is easier than writing code?
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New Oh, come the heck on! Six or eight drop-down selections!
OK, in Delphi it would be even fewer properties to set... But still. Six or eight fucking selections in drop-down lists, where it's debatable whether to count each selection as one or two mouse-clicks; I'd say one-and-a-half mouse-clicks per selection.

Makes some nine to twelve mouse-clicks.

How the fuck is that NOT easier than writing code?


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New My experience with it
I had a developer working (Visual Studio .NET) on a page that was a simple, tabular display of the results of a query. Basic Reporting 101. There was a parent/children relationship in the data, and the request was to group all children together, and leave a blank space after each group. After re-writing the page four times, changing the column layout twice, complaining that he couldn't do what I asked with late binding, re-writing it and changing the column layout again in order to remove the late binding, he still couldn't make it do what he wanted.

I'd have had the page done in about five minutes using any of a half-dozen freely-available frameworks, or two that I've done myself. If I wanted to do a one-off, I could have done it in a half-hour.

So while I'll admit it may be possible to do things with a data grid that are hard to do manually, I've gotten the impression it also makes it very hard to do some simple things, if the simple thing you want isn't one of the default behaviors.

Or I was working with a moron. That's always a possibility.
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New Again, we're talking about client side Windows apps here.
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Chris Altmann
New Come on, let me slam Winders, please?
The moron who was having all these problems was the same one who told me he treated the browser window as a client display surface, and wrote everything as though it were a desktop Windows app. He let the tools deal with making it all work. And he was constantly fighting with the tools to do it.

So yes, a datagrid for a desktop application is probably the bee's knees. But I've never heard a good word about using them in a web app.
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New Like shooting fish in a barrel
ASP.Net requires that you manage your events wisely. ASP.Net's event model makes too heavy a reliance on round trips. For what it does, it's not bad. But the framework is not particular geared towards fine-tuning the processing on the client side.
New BTW, I just checked: In Delphi, it's zero properties to set.
At least if you happen to be using the Live Data functionality, opening your queries at design-time so you can study how your app looks with data to display...

Then you just drag the edges of the column headers, and the width you drag them to is what'll be compiled into your app.

Counting a click-and-drag as one-and-a-half clicks, like I did for drop-down-and-select of properties, that makes a grand total of one-and-a-half clicks.

But yeah, writing code must of course be sooo much more efficient...


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     Datagrids suck/don't suck in .NET - (lincoln) - (17)
         They do suck, but try this - (altmann) - (16)
             So this is easier than writing your own HTML? -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                 To create a editable grid in a Windows program? Yes. -NT - (altmann)
             That worked, but I prefer to do things in code - (lincoln) - (13)
                 Like I said, this (datagrids) is easier than writing code? -NT - (drewk) - (6)
                     Oh, come the heck on! Six or eight drop-down selections! - (CRConrad) - (5)
                         My experience with it - (drewk) - (3)
                             Again, we're talking about client side Windows apps here. -NT - (altmann) - (2)
                                 Come on, let me slam Winders, please? - (drewk) - (1)
                                     Like shooting fish in a barrel - (ChrisR)
                         BTW, I just checked: In Delphi, it's zero properties to set. - (CRConrad)
                 So do that. - (altmann) - (5)
                     You're overlooking - (lincoln) - (4)
                         You've got your mappings wrong - (altmann) - (3)
                             On to the future! - (lincoln) - (2)
                                 Might take a look at this too - (altmann)
                                 VS 2005 (.NET 2.0) cost depends on the level - (tonytib)

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