Although both those are probably true...

Post #247,127 by jb4 3/7/06 5:01:50 PM 3/7/06 5:02:46 PM Reply	Although both those are probably true... ...it's not the issue. Here, (under Windows), the "ell" looks much like it does in the monotype.com face...sorta like a half swastika, with a stroke extending westward from the top of the vertical stroke, and another stroke extending about the same distance eastward fromthe bottom of the vertical stroke. (The difference between monotype.com and vera mono is that on vera, the junction of the eastward stroke with the vertical stroke is curved, where in monotype.com, the junction is squared, so I know its not a font aliasing issue). On the website, the "ell" renders more like an old block numeral one; very much like an "ell" in the Rockland face, only with the horizontal strokes longer and more pronounced. If that's a hinting difference, then that's one helluva hint! I've personally never seen hinting that fundamentally alters the presentation of the typeface. Have you? jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration Edited by jb4 March 7, 2006, 05:02:46 PM EST Expand All History
Post #247,131 by pwhysall 3/7/06 5:19:42 PM Reply	Here. Ubuntu defaults to using Vera. Here's "Full" hinting: [image\|http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peter.whysall1/full_hinting.png\|\|\|\|] Here's "None" hinting: [image\|http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peter.whysall1/no_hinting.png\|\|\|\|] That's a huge difference, visually speaking. I'll snarf a Windows screenie at some point. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #247,190 by jb4 3/8/06 9:47:52 AM Reply	It's too bad the samples don't include an "ell"... Then we'd get to see what gives.... jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
Post #247,217 by Another Scott 3/8/06 12:30:44 PM 3/8/06 2:40:39 PM Reply	I don't think it's hinting. I think they're different fonts. In Winders: Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Fonts "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono (True Type)" has the "half-swastika" lower-case "L". "Bitstream Vera Serif (True Type)" and "Bitstream Vera Sans (True Type)" don't (rather they look like a typewriter "1" and a single vertical line, respectively). I suspect some sort of font mapping is going on that causes the differences you're seeing. [edit: typos] Cheers, Scott. Edited by Another Scott March 8, 2006, 02:40:39 PM EST Expand All History

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