Re: Linux meets reality?

Post #24,712 by pwhysall 1/17/02 12:10:36 PM Reply	Re: Linux meets reality? The guy's a moron. Bad sysadmins exist. Film at 11. First up, Mandrake isn't a server OS. Sorry, but it ain't. On a server, Red Hat 6.2 to Mandrake isn't an "upgrade", it's a sign on your back saying "kick me". On production servers, you DO NOT change your kernels without a damn good reason; in fact, you do not deviate from your distro-supplied kernel. This guy seemed to slap on every new kernel as they appeared, as evidenced here: These problems continued as the kernel versions worked their way up through 2.4.11, which has a serious symlink bug that could lead to corrupted inodes. As of 2.4.13, things finally seemed to be cleaned up a bit. The kernel seemed to show more stability. Then we hit kernel 2.4.15. What the fuck was he thinking of? This is his customer's production server! Also on production servers, especially your customer's production server, you buy a service contract from Red Hat or IBM or LinuxCare or me or whatever and when things get out of hand, you call in the real experts. Yes, 2.4 was a bit of an adventure at times. That's true. What's also true is that the guy writing this article is a maroon of a sysadmin. Sorry, Andy. Windows still sucks ass (I've been reading the installation procedure for Exchange 2000 and all I can say is "bwaHAHAHAHAHA!", details on request.) Active Directory is still shit, doesn't scale and is easy to break; Windows on the desktop is still slow, hard to deploy, harder to manage and the most expensive thing out there, and Excel 2002 STILL doesn't let you select two ranges and have the one range be category labels for the other one on a chart. I know all this stuff because it's what I do for a living. Sucks to be me, I guess. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #24,714 by Another Scott 1/17/02 12:21:32 PM Reply	Similar comments on LinuxToday. And ... [link\|http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-16-014-20-OP-KN\|Here]. Sorry, Andy. Windows still sucks ass (I've been reading the installation procedure for Exchange 2000 and all I can say is "bwaHAHAHAHAHA!", details on request.) [...] Peter Shill For Hire I think you need to go back to MS Shill School. You're regressing. :-D Cheers, Scott.
Post #24,719 by bepatient 1/17/02 12:46:45 PM Reply	Should be similar...its the same idiot You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #24,720 by Another Scott 1/17/02 12:48:58 PM Reply	I meant reader comments - scroll down... :-)
Post #24,716 by boxley 1/17/02 12:27:46 PM Reply	Peter is right Find the stable release of whatever OS runs your preffered software on the required hardware platform and leave it alone unless grubby users interfere with it. I am knee deep in a similar situation but with Sun Software, Hardware and Solaris 8. Got here after all the parts were here and they couldnt get it to run. One release back of the software, 32 bit kernel as opposed to 64 and a dam good kicking if I ever find the developer (who is in france) who claimed the release was GA. thanx, bill My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
Post #24,733 by wharris2 1/17/02 2:02:58 PM Reply	Them damn 64-bit releases I don't know what it is, but those 64-bit releases seem to break lots of things, not just 32-bit 64-bit integer stuff. I see same stuff on HPUX. "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth
Post #24,737 by pwhysall 1/17/02 2:18:10 PM Reply	That's gawd's way... ...of telling you to switch to VMS. It's been 64-bit clean (and trouble-free) for nearly 10 years :-) Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #24,738 by boxley 1/17/02 2:35:51 PM Reply	thats what it is moving from :) My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
Post #24,743 by pwhysall 1/17/02 2:46:15 PM Reply	Re: thats what it is moving from :) That's NOT progress :-) Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #24,794 by wharris2 1/18/02 3:45:32 AM Reply	one can argue VMS isn't progress, either "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth
Post #24,801 by pwhysall 1/18/02 7:33:35 AM Reply	True. You're entitled to your opinion, even if it /is/ wrong. :-P Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #24,717 by marlowe 1/17/02 12:28:58 PM Reply	Okay, so how to test these things? A production server is off limits, for various and sundry very good reasons. Now we'd like to get a new SMP kernel tested in real world conditions, to flush out all those problems that don't show up in routine testing. You know, the intermittent, hard to reproduce things, that come out of overlooked inter-CPU race conditions and unusual sysop behavior. Things that even the most imaginative tester is unlikely to think of. How? Where? Catch-22. What we need is a server that's used in the real world for real work on a large scale, but is nonetheless considered highly expendable. Can we convince the IRS to use a 2.4 kernel, but only to process forms of victims who owe money to the IRS? Maybe if telemarketers used 2.4 to run their phone banks. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.

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