Post #247,104
3/7/06 2:30:58 PM
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Interesting...
Peter, the Bitstream web site you linked to has renderings of the Vera Mono that bear no resemblance to the fonts downloaded from the site folkert linked to. In particular, the rendering of the lowercase "ell" bears no resemblance to the web site rendering.
So are there two different "versions" of this typeface?
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #247,112
3/7/06 2:56:19 PM
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It's down to the hinting.
If you fully "hint" the fonts, as you would most likely do for on-screen display, then they'll look very different.
The rendering technique you see there is probably the Freetype "none" configuration; whilst it's fuzzy, it's a more faithful representation of the printed character.
They're the same font.
Peter
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Post #247,113
3/7/06 2:58:35 PM
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Also, Cleartype sucks dong.
And it's very cruel to Vera.
Peter
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Post #247,127
3/7/06 5:01:50 PM
3/7/06 5:02:46 PM
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Although both those are probably true...
...it's not the issue.
Here, (under Windows), the "ell" looks much like it does in the monotype.com face...sorta like a half swastika, with a stroke extending westward from the top of the vertical stroke, and another stroke extending about the same distance eastward fromthe bottom of the vertical stroke. (The difference between monotype.com and vera mono is that on vera, the junction of the eastward stroke with the vertical stroke is curved, where in monotype.com, the junction is squared, so I know its not a font aliasing issue).
On the website, the "ell" renders more like an old block numeral one; very much like an "ell" in the Rockland face, only with the horizontal strokes longer and more pronounced.
If that's a hinting difference, then that's one helluva hint! I've personally never seen hinting that fundamentally alters the presentation of the typeface. Have you?
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
Edited by jb4
March 7, 2006, 05:02:46 PM EST
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Post #247,131
3/7/06 5:19:42 PM
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Here.
Ubuntu defaults to using Vera.
Here's "Full" hinting:
[image|http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peter.whysall1/full_hinting.png||||]
Here's "None" hinting:
[image|http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peter.whysall1/no_hinting.png||||]
That's a huge difference, visually speaking.
I'll snarf a Windows screenie at some point.
Peter
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Post #247,190
3/8/06 9:47:52 AM
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It's too bad the samples don't include an "ell"...
Then we'd get to see what gives....
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #247,217
3/8/06 12:30:44 PM
3/8/06 2:40:39 PM
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I don't think it's hinting. I think they're different fonts.
In Winders:
Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Fonts
"Bitstream Vera Sans Mono (True Type)" has the "half-swastika" lower-case "L". "Bitstream Vera Serif (True Type)" and "Bitstream Vera Sans (True Type)" don't (rather they look like a typewriter "1" and a single vertical line, respectively).
I suspect some sort of font mapping is going on that causes the differences you're seeing.
[edit: typos]
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #247,177
3/8/06 4:13:49 AM
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Same ClearType you were so in love with, a couple years ago?
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Post #247,180
3/8/06 7:04:38 AM
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You're so right.
In a completely [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=99215|wrong] sort of way.
Peter
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Post #247,185
3/8/06 8:51:55 AM
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What are you talking about, young whippersnapper?
I'm far too senile to remember the question; you say *I* asked you something? How can you know? That was hours and *hours* ago!
I owe this facile explanation to my advanced old age, which has brought me so much wisdom that you must honour and respect me. Sit at my feet and beg to be allowed to learn from me, that sort of thing.
Or something...
What was it you were selling, again?
Have you seen my goldfish anywhere?
I must have mislaid it.
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