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New Are you colossally stupid?
Or just very good at faking it?

Of course the main point, which you refuse to see, is that Google does *not* care about privacy. Their actions in China prove this. But COPA has a legitimate purpose. It doesn't inhbit free speech at all. It inhibts porn. Porn is *not* speech.

[link|http://www.copacommission.org/report/statements/hughes.shtml|The subject is COPA]. COPA is about children online being protected from stuff that no responsible parent would suffer them to be exposed to. That includes porn used by sexual predators to lure underage "partners."

In fact, the emphasis all along has been on preventing pederasty.

Excerpt:

The failure to adequately enforce child pornography and obscenity laws has led to a pervasive "anything goes" mentality by online pornographers and sexual predators. Our recommendation for Law Enforcement action is critical to curbing the sexual exploitation of children online. Aggressive prosecution will not only minimize children's direct exposure to online porn and sexual predators, but also decrease the sexual abuse of children by those acting out behavior depicted in pornography.

[link|http://www.protectkids.com/policy/index.htm|Still more]

Excerpt:

The COPA Commission, a congressionally appointed panel, was mandated by the Child Online Protection Act, which was approved by Congress in October 1998. The primary purpose of the Commission is to "identify technological or other methods that will help reduce access by minors to material that is harmful to minors on the Internet."

The Commission released its final report to Congress on Friday, October 20, 2000.

The Report advised Congress that it could take steps to protect children online, by dedicating more resources to the prosecution of Internet obscenity and child pornography.

I say:

Do you how they *make* child pornography?


[link|http://www.fradical.com/Importance_of_COPA.htm|Science says: it gets worse. Porn creates perverts.]

Excerpts:

The prevention of "child porn crimes" leads us directly to the "Child Online Protection Act" (COPA). COPA, scheduled for debate before the US Supreme Court in March, would criminalize commercial Web sites (1) that regularly engage in the business of selling, and (2) then knowingly make available to minors, the kind of pornography that meets the legal standard of obscene or obscene for minors.

The National Law Center for Children and Families wrote the "COPA Brief of Members of Congress." The brief made legal history by unveiling recent data on how pornographic pictures re-form the human brain:

Sophisticated medical diagnostic techniques confirm that images override text for brain dominance and research indicates that a pornographic environment "colonizes" a viewer's brain, producing structural changes in the brain that are involuntary and can last for years...

Until recently most neurologists doubted the affect of media upon the national mind. Naturally we would expect a lag time until legislators and judges also understand a causal connection. The scientifically fraudulent idea that erotic images are harmless speech and children are naturally sexual has led to mass child victimization. An uninformed judiciary has subjected millions of children and youths to toxic images that now dominate their brains, minds, memories and conduct.

The First Amendment was designed to protect words- discourse, not pictures-arousal. Pornographic images neurochemically blitz our brains--overriding legitimate informed consent. Enlightened lawmakers will have to bring our laws up-to-speed with the power of media to shape our brains, minds, memories and our civility. COPA is a beginning.


I say:

Won't someone please think of the pervs?
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New I fail to understand something...
certainly the justification that has been used is COPA.

But I fail to see how getting every single type in query (by everyone) over a week is going to help with Child Porn? Furthermore I don't see how a random sampling of 1 million web pages is going to help with Child Porn either.

Finally I don't see why Google is being required to do the Justice Dept's research. (Guys, if you want it, sit down and start typing.)

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New Suuuure it is.
Marlowe, the 'emphasis on pederasty' is just another way of justifying censorship of all types by saying "The children! My God, who will protect the children'.

How about the adults? How about the parents? Frigging parents just let kids go online without supervision, but that's pornography's fault? And because there are sickos out there, the government must increase (again) to take more control over communications?

Letting kids wander the 'net without supervision is like letting them wander, say, NYC without supervision. It's stupid and negligent. Of course, the 'answer' to THAT problem is to monitor the movements of EVERYBODY, and to require records to be kept of adults that go to places not on the 'approved' list, right? (Your papers, please)

The neocon junta is all about making moral choices for the people. The justice department in particular are ultra-prudes. Tell me, is the breast on the statue of Justice still covered? The ONLY way that could have been considered to be 'dirty' would be if Ashcroft was lusting after it, after all (the sicko). The government can't even make legitimate judgements about genuine works of art; these are the people that are to regulate access to legitamate adult entertainment?

Finally, you seem to be all for the government being able to FORCE a third-party entity to actively support their efforts to revive a bill already killed by the courts - remember that there are no charges, and no criminal case involved here - just members of the executive branch that want to revive laws already rejected because of their limitation of legitimate free speech.

I'm not surprised you support absolute power for the executive branch though.

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Expand Edited by imric March 5, 2006, 07:16:27 PM EST
New How is porn not speech?
Porn is legal, remember.


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Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
New You may be.
Whether you like it or not. Freedom has good sides and bad sides. You cannot restrict access to something simply because you don't like it. Nor can you do it under a mantra of "protecting the cheeldrun".

Google is doing the absolute correct thing. They are refusing to infringe the rights of the users by caving to a fishing expedition. You should be more worried about the search engines that DID cave so easily. Who will they cave on next..and will that cave maybe include IP addresses or some identifying information?

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New so the communist nanny state is upon us?
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New He wishes.
Thoughtcrime doubleplusungood.


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New I read the link you provided again
The fact that you see kiddie diddling in that says more about you than I care to know.
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     Some quotes about Freedom of Speech. - (inthane-chan) - (41)
         Great quotes...bone chilling, but great. -NT - (imqwerky) - (5)
             Which ones give you the shivers? - (Silverlock) - (4)
                 Kissinger's - (jb4)
                 Guliani's, total misunderstanding of Blackstone -NT - (boxley)
                 Hitler's - (imqwerky)
                 The juxtaposition of the mindsets - N. of the North Pole - (Ashton)
         This about Google and China? - (marlowe) - (21)
             Quagmire much? -NT - (Silverlock)
             well we know you neoconns are - (boxley)
             Google and the Fed is worse. - (imric) - (18)
                 Well, I guess I was wrong. - (marlowe) - (17)
                     Who here has said they're worried about the kiddie fiddlers? - (pwhysall) - (16)
                         dup. ignore -NT - (jbrabeck)
                         Since Marlowe brought it up - (jbrabeck)
                         I beleive imric alluded to them... - (marlowe) - (13)
                             Are you on drugs? - (Silverlock) - (8)
                                 Are you colossally stupid? - (marlowe) - (7)
                                     I fail to understand something... - (Simon_Jester)
                                     Suuuure it is. - (imric)
                                     How is porn not speech? - (pwhysall)
                                     You may be. - (bepatient)
                                     so the communist nanny state is upon us? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                         He wishes. - (pwhysall)
                                     I read the link you provided again - (Silverlock)
                             Miss what, precisely? -NT - (pwhysall)
                             Freud would have a field day with you. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                                 Freud would throw up his hands in disgust -NT - (jb4) - (1)
                                     Freud ate hands? -NT - (imric)
         Well, is it about the Democrats in Minnesota? - (marlowe) - (12)
             Get a life. -NT - (Silverlock)
             Now you're in my home court - (jbrabeck) - (5)
                 Here's how I replied - (jbrabeck) - (4)
                     I resemble that remark! - (jb4) - (1)
                         I was hoping for the mirror effect. Thanks for confirming. -NT - (jbrabeck)
                     Well said. -NT - (Another Scott)
                     Very nice, Joe! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
             out of the mouths of boobs comes - (rcareaga) - (3)
                 ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott)
                 Oh, was that your poodle? - (marlowe) - (1)
                     That makes about as much sense - (jbrabeck)
             Damnit...I knew the Democratic party would mess this up... - (Simon_Jester)

There ARE supposed to be two as-es there!
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